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http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/08/opinions/bergen-isis-boko-haram/index.html

ISIS has taken over media in a way unprecedented by terrorist groups. Now other terrorist groups are claiming support for ISIS. Should Congress declare war on ISIS? Can you even declare a state of war against an ideology? If you were President how would you stop the spread of ISIS?
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It's hard to declare a war on something that doesn't foundationally exist. ISIS has no country that is directly related to it. It's a bunch of animals with very skewed sociopathic morals. Going to war with ISIS is like going to war on terrorism, an idea. We're already at war with that right now.
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At $110K each, the AGM-114 Hellfire is not a cost effective way to dispatch a few guys with a pickup truck mounted weapon, etc. I may be a bit out of date, but, for my money, Spooky, Spectre, Snake, Nape, and Willy Pete would be far more cost effective against any combatants, vehicles, artillery, command, supply lines/dumps, and/or emplacements in the desert. The last I checked, Mark 82 ran about $2K for each 200 pounds of HE on target.

The Hellfire's 18 pound shaped charge was designed to take out Armor - not pickup trucks.

While I like Glass - Spooky / Snake / Nape / MOAB are just as impressive at far lower cost.
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Cpl Wagner. You make a great point there. The Hellfire weights in at only 100 pounds. There are some pretty big drones. But, the reality is they were designed primarily to carry optical & electronic sensors. They may well not have the hardpoints much less rotary dispensers to handle 50+ Snakeyes. My original thought was to use either fast movers or strategic bombers already well fitted out for this mission. In theory a drone may be in development. But it is not in inventory.

It was stupid of me to suggest without checking whether the existing drones could carry them. I would go back to my original concept.

I would still rather fight them on their territory.


Warmest Regards, Sandy
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It looks like the Navy's X-47B can carry 9 Snakeyes (4,500 pounds). The Navy's X-47C drone slated for development and testing could carry 20 Snakeyes (10,000 pounds). Nothing else in public view.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_X-47B
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When I was in there were at least 14 variants of the AGM-114, and they all had different dollar values, and very unique uses. Further WP is a marker, and flying nape is really hazardous for the pilot, and puts them is rough situation if they don’t have a target in that they cannot land with firebombs (I forgot the nomenclature) and while it looks cool they really do not work well for anti-personnel in way that is not going to make the US look like jack-asses on CNN because they have no real guidance capability. The answer would seem to be best with the use of 2.75 rockets with the Flachette (Been awhile since I spelled that) as they are extremely antipersonnel/vehicle, and it would be cool if they could connect a GAU-17 to a drone (7.62 mm, 6 barrel Gatling [Lots of rounds all over the place]). Please do not get me wrong if you have better or newer experience let me know, heck at this point I may be talking out my ass it has been 4 years and a lot of beer.
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1st Lt Bridget Philbin. Absolutely agree . . . and you are the expert here ! ! ! I was only responding to imagery of loose bands of indigenous fighters running pickup trucks in the open on what appear to be major roadways. Surgical penetration of opposition high value targets are always preferred . . . but I was seriously impressed by relatively low orbiting high capacity gunships and separately rolling thunder / Willy Pete and Napalm . . . with respect to psychological effects in the 1970's. I am very certain I am dating myself by referencing such antiquated tactics . . . you know better. Warmest Regards, Sandy
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Blame them for Global Warming and have the IRS audit them. These seem to be the two most lethal COAs of the current administration.
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MAJ (Join to see) The good old climate change (man-made AGW) mularkey. "Same as it ever was, same as it ever was"
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If you were the President of the United States how would you deal with ISIS?
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We tried troops, so hows'bout we go the "glass parking lot" route this time
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LTC Paul Labrador
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I would put an asterisk by the troops. Our guys were never let off the leash. Let's try that first before we go scorched earth....literally....
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The Romans, being very tired of the cronic problems in the middle-East, leveled Jerusalem, salted and plowed the earth with it, and killed boo-koo people, which solved the problem for almost 2000 years. I think we should do something similar to ISIS and parts of Iraq.
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Now we are considering putting even more troops into Iraq.
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The president now? If I were the president, we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place. I know where my priorities and backbone is.
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Sgt Packy Flickinger
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I might add, Irael would be getting alot more support than they have now also and we'd know the truth about Benghazi.
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I have been waiting on someone to ask me this question.

"Mr. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, this is President Lamb. I'll make you a deal. You stay on your side of the planet, I'll stay on mine, and we can play nice and co-exist. But be advised: if any thing remotely resembling a terrorist attack happens on US soil or against US interests, I'm going to blame you whether you did it or not, and then I'm going to glass your entire Islamic state."

This is, most likely, the best reason I will never be POTUS.

A buddy of mine said it better, and more professionally: "When we go back, we need to make certain we never have to go back again."
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Look up the movie"Deterrence" and the President's message in that movie was "TRY ME"
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LTC Paul Labrador
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What most people fail to realize is that negotiations of any kind always boils down to two implied (or sometimes not so implied) words: "Or Else." There always has to be a credible threat of an alternative worse than negotiation, or else no one is ever going to listen to you. Negotiation w/o a credible "or else" is called "begging". This is the same when scolding your kids, as it is with buying a car, as it is in geopolitics.

So by all means negotiate. But you'd better be prepared to bring the pain if negotiations fail.
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LTC Paul Labrador i agree.....this is what has been missing from our foreign policy for the last several year, in my estimation
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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Let's take the Putin approach where "Or else" translates to "We'll suspend Mrs. Putin's American Express card too."
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SSG (ret) William Martin
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Sir, I would cut off their supplies.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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No Beans and Bullets sure makes it hard. Good Choice.
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SSG (ret) William Martin
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I learned that cutting off the supplies for the enemy from studying and researching Romes fight with Gual when Rome essentially built a large wall around a Gaul encampment. I think was Caesar who allowed the enemy General and his Army to escape who were met by several Roman legions. So in this case, Caesar just cut off the enemy from receiving supplies instead of destroying the actual supply source.
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LTC Paul Labrador
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Yup, immediate air initerdiction against all identified ISIS ground targets. They can't move, they can't fight....and the bad guys are out in the open now, making themselves easy targets.
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SSG (ret) William Martin
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It is fair to say Rome did not play games.
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There are few of life's problems that cannot be solved with the appropriate amount and placement of high explosives.
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I completely agree with you Sir.
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Here is another good one. The M67 Zippo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M67_Flame_Thrower_Tank
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This enemy will not be defeated with precision weaponry, one HIGHLY expensive missile at a time. If we were talking about thermobaric large scale bombs that would be different. If I were president, and Lord help us...we would be mobilizing a Corps and its subordinates. We would be preparing to conduct an "operational raid" from Turkey to Baghdad...and we would be conducting a massive campaign to inform the world that we were about to take care of a problem in biblical fashion. We aren't going to take care of this problem with bombs. We aren't going to solve it with mercenary armies paid for by the American people. The nations of the middle east certainly aren't going to take care of it.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Ralph-Peters-ISIS-Iraq-death-cult/2014/08/13/id/588526/
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Cpl Brett Wagner
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LTC Robert Halvorson - Sweet God almighty! I want you as my president, hell our king. That reads as if it came out of my own mouth. So many countries in the middle east want nuclear weapons and we have plenty of them so why not share? ;-) You go brother and if you don't run for office I will write you in.
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Want a VP, sir?

If that campaign you described happened, I would volunteer to fire the first shot.
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