Posted on Jun 29, 2016
SSG Roderick Smith
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I see links on RallyPoint all the time. Brexit, politics, Red Cross posters, officer-involved shootings... it used to be that if you were a conspiracy theorist, you were the only weirdo in the room. Now, it's like having tattoos... everyone's got 'em. Why does the general public latch on to racism as the root cause of so many issues?
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GySgt Charles O'Connell
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Racism is an issue, but then again, it has been an issue, in all societies, throughout history. It has taken different levels and forms, but in the history I've studied one group of people has looked down on another group of people for a myriad of reasons throughout history.
I don't think racism is more prevalent in todays society, at least in the U.S., than say when I was a kid in the 60's. We've come a long way, but as mankind is still in the evolutionary process, we've miles yet to travel.
Why is it a rally cry?? I suppose it depends on who is doing yelling. I didn't get the job, cause I'm black, or I didn't get the job because I'm white. Maybe neither got the job because they just didn't meet the employers criteria. But instead of, Know yourself and seek self-improvement, it's easier to lay blame on the idea that racism was the factor.
It's an interesting question.
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SFC Art Robinson
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GySgt Charles O'Connell - And Peeps who are presented with FACTS that aren't in accord with their own worldview have to come up with some reason to dismiss-ignore-minimize said FACTS . . . Otherwise they would have to do the harder work of taking a hard look at their own worldview, and realizing it is problematic . . .

Not saying that's what U are doing in comparing a Yale scholar to Tucker Carlson . . . Just sayin' . . .

[And sorry about delay in response . . . U didn't hit "reply," so I didn't get a notification] . . .
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SFC Art Robinson
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GySgt Charles O'Connell - And, by the way, I just love it when Peeps say, "U missed the point," after U've just pointed out that their point is weak . . . Makes me chuckle every time . . . :)

(Comparing ratings to tenure . . . U're cute! :) . . .
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GySgt Charles O'Connell
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SFC Art Robinson - I’m not comparing The Prof to Carlson, but say this Prof. turned up on Fox expressing an opinion, one that runs counter to your own, do you still ascribe to him the same validity?
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SFC Art Robinson
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GySgt Charles O'Connell - When I say U're comparing Stanley to Carlson, I'm referring to your comment that,"What I’m saying is, the author has a specific agenda to present, as does Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, et al" . . . And to my mind, to not be able to differentiate between a Yale Scholar and a pundit at Fox is problematic . . .

As far as if he turned up on Fox with a contrary opinion, that gets back to my earlier comments on FACTS and EVIDENCE . . . Yes, scholars have opinions, but they are based on HISTORICAL FACTS and EVIDENCE, or they wouldn't be scholars . . . Scholars don't just make sh*t up, as opposed to Tucker et al, who are on the record as just making sh*t up (for ratings) . . .

Now, I'm sure there are scholars out there who differ from Stanley . . . If I ran across one of 'em, I'd listen to his or her FACTS and EVIDENCE, I'd evaluate said FACTS and EVIDENCE against other FACTS and EVIDENCE I've run across in my studies, and if there was something the counter-scholar pointed out that called into question something that Stanley (and others) have said, I'd further evaluate in an attempt to find a resolution . . .

For example, there's a very smart fellow -- an African American scholar at the Hoover Institution (Stanford) -- named Thomas Sowell . . . A friend used to post his views to support their Right-wing ideology . . . I started looking into his views, and I found several aspects problematic . . . Like the fact that he said he saw no racism in Trump . . . The fact that he was blind to something that is widely seen by most unbiased peeps told me all I needed to know about who was pulling his strings . . .

There were some other things I found problematic, like his views on slavery, etc., but my point is that I didn't just dismiss him because he was saying things I didn't want to hear . . .
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Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth
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Because when the left has no more legitimate arguments or facts they claim racism, sexism, mysoginism, narccisist, homophobe or whatever other moniker sticks cause that is what people remember. Sad state of affairs.
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SFC Art Robinson
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Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth - A "few knuckleheads," eh?

(from the article)
The white supremacist policies put in place by the Trump regime impact every area of American life.

The Republican Party has made Jim Crow tactics and strategies, aimed at preventing Black people and other nonwhites from voting, a cornerstone of its electoral strategy.
White supremacist ideologues such as senior White House adviser Stephen Miller have implemented policies to restrict immigration from nonwhite countries to levels not seen since the 1920s.
The Trump regime unleashed ICE, the Border Patrol and other law enforcement agencies (as well as private "militias") in a terror campaign against nonwhite communities.
Tens of thousands of nonwhite migrants, immigrants and refugees were confined in Trump's concentration camps and other detention centers.
The people of Puerto Rico — who of course are U.S. citizens — were effectively left to die after Hurricane Maria. Trump obviously viewed that U.S. commonwealth and its Spanish-speaking citizens as less than, other and not quite American.
Black and brown children were stolen from their families as a "deterrent" to migrants and refugees entering the U.S. More than 600 of those children may never be reunited with their families.
Civil rights laws and other protections designed to stop racial discrimination and other forms of unfair treatment have been rescinded.
Police thuggery and brutality has been encouraged, covered up or exonerated.
Muslims were banned from entering the United States.
DACA was overturned.
Trump and the Republicans have loaded the federal courts at every level with judges who oppose the idea that the state should intervene to protect the rights of nonwhite Americans and other marginalized groups.
Trump has used and continues to use stochastic terrorism to encourage violence by white supremacists and other right-wing extremist groups and individuals against nonwhite people, Muslims, Jews and other groups marked as "the enemy."
Trump has repeatedly slurred Blacks, Latinos, and other nonwhites as being disease carriers, rapists, murders, thugs, traitors, criminals, not "patriotic" and disloyal.
Trump has repeatedly demeaned and insulted Black and brown women who dared to criticize him and his policies.
Trump threatened to unleash the military against Americans who protested against police violence and the murder of George Floyd.
Trump has effectively declared that teaching accurate and true history in America's schools about the country's origins in slavery and racism is a thought crime. The Trump regime has also terminated federal funding for training sessions about white privilege, racism and the societal value of diversity.
Trump has enacted policies that have worsened the racial wealth and income gap, as well as making economic inequality more extreme for the country as a whole.
The Trump regime's sabotage of coronavirus relief efforts was also a function of animus and hostility toward nonwhite people, who have suffered disproportionately from the pandemic and are more likely to live in cities or states governed by Democrats.

https://www.salon.com/2020/11/19/make-fun-of-the-million-maga-march-all-you-want--white-supremacy-has-not-been-defeated/
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Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth
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SrA Michele Burgman WOW...a down vote withno comments...how rich. If you are going to downvote someone for their comments at least have the courtesy to respond and tell them why. Not cool at all. At least give me a courtesy to respond.
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LTC Jorge Cordero
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CINOs, Christians' In Name Only. As I recall one of the major reasons he was crucified was because he said "The Kingdom Of Heaven is for EVERYONE"
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LTC Jorge Cordero - Everyone that believes in Him!
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MSgt James "Buck" Buchanan
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Because it's popular and quickly gains press attention which brings pressure against those trying to honestly deal with real issues.
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SFC Art Robinson
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But what if a party has actually embraced white supremacy? . . . Should those who don't have their heads in a hole in the ground stay silent about that fact? . . .
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MSG Thomas Currie
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Why? Because it is easy!

We live in a society that loves quick easy answers -- and tagging someone or something with a label makes it easy to either deal with it or ignore it.

Racist, Nazi, Socialist, Liberal, Right-winger, *-phobe, are all easy ways to dismiss someone as being beneath any consideration. None of these labels require any proof, none of these labels require any thought beyond "I disagree with you"
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Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth
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SFC Art Robinson - You must be talking about the party of biden you know the one that said if you dont vote for me you ain't black or the days when he stoood with the heads of the klan et al in congress?
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Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth - Don't get me wrong . . . No one ever said Biden doesn't have a knack for putting his foot in his mouth from time to time . . .

But I'm pretty sure no one ever found enough dirt to justify calling him a "Hatemonger" . . .
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MSG Thomas Currie
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SFC Art Robinson - To which my reply would be So-What-If-The- Do! You obviously don't object to anyone espousing competing theories of racial superiority or inferiority, so why would you insist on applying the "racist" label to someone or some group simply because they disagree with you on completely different issues.

You are exactly the kind of worthless slime that has reduced American politics to what we see today. You support a man who has a consistent history of racism, but you call his opponent the "racist" -- all you do is demonstrate your ignorance and arrogance.
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SFC Art Robinson
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MSG Thomas Currie - First let me say that I love U, my Brother, even if your ability to perceive reality is profoundly challenged . . . I've dealt with plenty in my day who have likewise been Reality-challenged . . . Loved every one of 'em, and U are no exception . . .

That said, U make a slew of unsubstantiated claims in your short rant -- unsubstantiated claims that make it clear to the Thinking Observer that your rant is based more on emotion than logic . . .

For example, U say "you insist on applying the 'racist' label to someone or some group simply because they disagree with you on completely different issues" . . . Please show me where I've said what U said I said? . . . Where did I say, "If U disagree with me on jack, U are a racist!" . . . Lemme help ya with that one, my Brother . . . I never said that . . . So, though I know it might make U feel better about yourself to mischaracterize what I have said, so that U can then imagine U have refuted what I said, but in the world of LOGICAL FALLACIES they have a name for that . . . It's called the STRAWMAN FALLACY . . . Lemme know if U need me to teach U more about it . . .
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SSG Bill McCoy
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It's a "convenient," way to do a couple of things. One, it makes the person being accused stop and think about their actions/conduct which may or may not be valid. Two, it taints the person being accused of racism, whether true or not. In short, it's the blame game and may or may not be legitimate.
For false accusations, there should be some cost to the accuser and that rarely, if ever, happens. For true accusations, there is probably always a cost to the racist actions/conduct, at least to their reputation and thus, credability as to future events.
Today, offending someone is all too easy. It seems people (regardless of race) are EXPECTING, or anticipating being offended; maybe even HOPING to be offended. It's insanity. It's unhealthy and it's extremely divisive.
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CPO Mark Gallup - And by the way, since U apparently formulate a coherent argument, U can get your rocks off voting down all my posts to your heart's content . . . Hope that helps U sleep at night . . .

Here, let me vote this one down for ya, and save U the trouble . . .
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SFC Art Robinson
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SFC Art Robinson - Dang it, it won't let me vote myself down . . .
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LTC Kevin B. - Thanks, Sir! . . . I'm kinda new around here & was wondering whether we had any rules . . .
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SFC Art Robinson - Glad to assist. Feel free to let any of the admins know if anything like that happens again. The blatant personal attacks and the vulgar language are a no go. I suspended his account for his refusal to adjust his behavior and comply with the guidelines.
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It's the quickest way to stop the conversation. Snowflakes don't want to debate because they are afraid of anyone who holds an opinion counter to their own.
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Short answer: It works.

Long answer: It has become all too easy to blame someone else when you are in the wrong (or equally wrong as the other person) under the guise of "they hurt my feelings," or "they were discriminating against me." Political Correctness is a poison that has seeped into our society and is destroying us from the inside out, just as sure as rattlesnake venom. And due to everyone's death grip on PC mannerisms, race and gender are the two hot topics that have worked up, down and sideways because they have historic precedent. In our Nation's past, both race and gender were the source of the biggest forms of oppression and discrimination. And because of this historic precedent, it is easy to claim such discrimination with a "old dogs/new tricks" mentality. Because of the fact that it has worked so well in the past, it has become the go-to, because people now know that their cries will be met with sympathy (either public or judicial).
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MSgt Earl King
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I watched a football game today...someone yelled out...LOOK at That (N) run!! Great run but he was still a (N)?? So you folks stop the White Washing, stop removing books from school, stop redlining, stop doing all sorts of stuff to prevent/stop folkes from voting; what next, return of the BEAN JARS? Some comments here are just disgusting!!
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Cpl Henry Busby
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I imagine that for those who have never experienced upfront in your face racism where your life was possibly on the line, it is hard for them to even emphasize with those of us who have. For instance, at 12 years old while walking down Old Galveston Road in Houston TX some hooligans in a pickup truck threw a pipe which hit me right above my right eye and then jumped out yelling "GET THE NIGGER!". Luckily I knew the area and was faster than them and even with blood streaming down my face, I was able to outrun and avoid them. And NO, that experience did not deter me from being who I am now in my 70 plus years on this Ball of Mud, and accomplishing what I needed to. So all that left of that event is the memory and a quarter inch scar over my right eye. As a matter of fact I don't think of it unless some commentary such as this shows up which tries to discredit the experiences of people who suffered from what some try to say doesn't exist.

The most egregious, heartbreaking and sad memory of mind is from 1969 after my first tour in Nam and was on Leave with one of the guys from my unit who lived in the same area of me. We were to meet up and he and his brother and a couple of friends for a few beers. The place they decided on was a "GO GO BAR". Everyone was white except me and that changed the entire dynamic of the evening. Even though I was decked out in my Sumner Khakis with all the salad on the chest, the bartender still stated; "HE CAN'T BE IN HERE." On the real that didn't even matter to me because I was born in Texas and even as a child noticed the hatred. Didn't understand it but it was hard to miss. My white brethren took more of an offense than I did and a fight broke out. Luckily one of the cops that showed up had served and was sympathetic which kept us from going to jail.

The above didn't change the trajectory of my life after experiencing this because I was and am a student of history, especially military history. I had the privilege to speak with some of the original members of the Montford Point Marines and listened to what they had to go through simply to be able to serve their country. I read on the WW II black veterans who came home from battle to be denied the same benefits as their white counterparts. While the GI Bill’s language did not specifically exclude African-American veterans from its benefits, it was structured in a way that ultimately shut doors for the 1.2 million Black veterans who had bravely served their country during World War II, in segregated ranks. When lawmakers began drafting the GI Bill in 1944, some Southern Democrats feared that returning Black veterans would use public sympathy for veterans to advocate against Jim Crow laws. To make sure the GI Bill largely benefited white people, the southern Democrats drew on tactics they had previously used to ensure that the New Deal helped as few Black people as possible. So wouldn't we consider that as being systematic of "racism"?

I see some saying "That was then. Why can't you get over it!? Makes me wonder what trauma they had in their lives that they got over so easily? In the years since, while always working in a professional field, I have a few times been stopped while driving and/or walking black. Back in the day spoken to disrespectfully and detained because "You fit the description!" But that didn't stop anything either because you learn to play the game and subsequently teach your sons and daughters how to play the game so that winning means that you get to make it home while many others did not.

As a student of history something that is happening today really brings it home. Children like Ruby Bridges had to carry the memory of being escorted into school while angry mobs called her names and threw stuff at her and she is still alive and prospered despite of how she was treated. But the fascinating aspect of this is that even though a young black girl had to endure this treatment, some are saying now that her story is not worth being told and they are trying to strip it and other atrocities from the annals of history because they say "It makes little white boys and girls feel bad about themselves" apparently paying no attention to how it made all those young black boys and girls feel. So that is not considered "racism"?

We won't even delve into the legal system where two individuals of similar backgrounds, even when one of the defendants are charged for the first time and the other has multiple cases and even convictions gets lesser time than the individual with no priors. It is all recorded And that is what is called "Systemic Racism". Of course, you yourself might not be racist or have preconceived racist notions, but to deny that it does exist is in and of itself perpetuating the plight on humankind.

That is my soapbox performance for now and I'm sure that some won't understand and won't even bother to try to understand and that is alright. Look at the world and its people. Look at what humans do to one another, some even in the name of God, so at this late date in the game, I have no expectations for people because that always leads to frustrations. And trying to deny history does not erase it. It is what it is. I totally agree that everything is not racist but it is undeniable that some things are. Everyone is not racist, but there are racists among us. To paraphrase the radio serial The Shadow; "WHO KNOWS WHAT EVIL LURKS IN THE HEARTS OF MEN?" They answered that "THE SHADOW KNOWS! But I will change that to "YOU KNOW WHAT EVIL LURKS WITHIN YOU" And should not "TO THINE OWN SELF BE TRUE"?
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SrA Michele Burgman
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Based on how you even termed your question seems completely dismissive in the first place. Perhaps people, as you so dismissively put, "cry" about "racism", is actually someone being racist. It's best to dissect the issue before forming an opinion. I like to call it out as I see it, whether it be a passive aggressive or blatant remark from someone.
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Because 'modern society' cannot argue using facts and logic. So, if they can't disprove your point, or prove theirs, the only other option is to gaslight you, demean you, or somehow besmirch your character. I cannot count the times I have been accused of racism, fascism, misogyny, white supremacy, hate, anti-semitism, or any number of other pejoratives when I have argued with facts and logic and my 'opponent' cannot do the same. It's vulgar, disgusting, and lazy.
The saddest part to me is that my generation worked so hard to rid America of those horrific 'isms', and now I and my generation are being accused of those things. It's disgusting and false.
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