Posted on Jul 27, 2015
In today's Military, can you survive an Article 15 or Letter of Reprimand and still have a successful career?
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I have talked to a few Senior NCO's that have told me they would not have been able to make it under todays standard. With the current push to kick people out an LOR will adversely affect their carrier (special duties, TDY etc.) and a Article 15 will put you on the chopping block.
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Of course you can they are rehabilitative in nature...but there is a difference in an E-2 being rehabilitated and a E-7 or O-3.
LOR, yes - Simple answer for Article 15 is no. It takes a good leader to make these kinds of decisions! There were two people in particular I thought about processing for Article 15 and I'm glad I didn't. I'm talking about assault (fight in a bar) and AWOL (missing formation) - both of these guys are still in the AF and flourishing! There are others that did get an Article 15 (for the same or lesser offense) and are no longer in service.
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Thanks for sharing you experience. Those are the types of infractions that are coming back to end peoples careers in the Army due to our current draw down.
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The simple answer is no. When I was I. (79-85) it was a career ended along with failure to be on the promotion list after your initial enlistment. I was ADA and I was considered mission essential and thus not boarded. The art.15 and lack of being g boarded for e-5 meant that when reenlistment time came I was left with either PDA or ETS. I choose ETS and worked on electrical and electronics for the LCAC and eventually became a teacher. Being a military brat the army I went in wasn't more than camping out and today's army is 100x's worse. Just like after Vietnam, the mi!itary is getting rid of not dead weight but the actual costs and movers. They are getting rid of the institutional memory of what it means to train and fight on a war footing. Most who are rifted and let go out of the military will land on their feet and a majority will end up coming back as trainers of the trainers. Why? Because po!iticians and general officers are stupid when it comes to what's needed. They think that advanced systems are the way except that they forget when you release all your warriors what you end up with is pansies and politically correct, limp wristed idiots who will shit themselves when the shit really hits the fan again. History repeats itself again. Think post WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam and the end of the cold war. Now it's happening again because of a lack of balls and leadership. Mostly leadership!
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CW4 (Join to see) I think it depends on your rank. If you are senior NCO or officer, you are through when your next board comes around. The Army is looking for reasons to move your file to the "do not consider, promote, retain." A very junior Soldier, one time, maybe. The type of ART 15, offense, and whether the letter was locally filed or not, also matter. A GOMOR for a leader is a killer, and it should be.
In 1987, when I was 1LT, and the Army was 800k, there were LTs in my Squadron, promoted to Capatin with 1 or more DUIs.... That changed dramatically during the early 90s drawdown... Just like this era...
In 1987, when I was 1LT, and the Army was 800k, there were LTs in my Squadron, promoted to Capatin with 1 or more DUIs.... That changed dramatically during the early 90s drawdown... Just like this era...
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You weren't one of the guys if you didn't get something. I got mine (Article 15), plus pulled off promotion list, restricted to base for 30 days (another story of how I got around that), and $25.00 fine. I was making 90$ a month back in 1964. All for a curfew violation. A bit over kill I would say., I don't think the CO liked me (feeling was mutual)
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I should have added...Get the Platoon Sgt involved like NCO's should be. If the situation is above his pay grade he should know what to do. .
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Whoops, I also forgot...I was thinking of Enlisted.....Some officers aren't the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree, as seen by the number of really high ranking guys getting charged with the cover all "Loss of confidence" (No offense to any Commissioned on this site)
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No way! This ain't the real military anymore. It is an effin' corporation. I am glad I served when I did. I will have none of it now. Sorry.
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I agree in saying it depends on what level. When I was in AIT I was sexually assaulted by a green suit instructor, I came forth with what she did & she received a letter of reprimand.
When my husband was in Bragg his CDR received a GOMOR.
In both situations I was told by TDS that they were career stoppers.
When my husband was in Bragg his CDR received a GOMOR.
In both situations I was told by TDS that they were career stoppers.
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The serious problem with the zero defect military....is the lies that then happen to cover up. Being in leadership and not getting to the truth, specially if it concerns lives is worse than the infraction committed. The zero defect world is frightening.
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