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Scenario: You have several diplomas ranging from an Associates up to a Master's degree.
You are looking for work in your field. You have many years of experience and certifications. You are highly qualified to do the job.
You are turned down by the employer but offered a job at same company to work as a parking lot attendant.
Do you..
You are looking for work in your field. You have many years of experience and certifications. You are highly qualified to do the job.
You are turned down by the employer but offered a job at same company to work as a parking lot attendant.
Do you..
Posted >1 y ago
Responses: 71
First, I wouldn't get insulted, I would laugh. If you need the money now, you better start enforcing parking regulations! If not, move on to the next one!
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Is it what God has led me to do? Will I be able to serve others and tap into the gifts the Lord has given me? Without swallowing any pride, I take the wonderful opportunity.
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SFC(P) (Join to see)
MSG I wish I could give you more thumbs up for that truly helpful advice. Recognize your blessings and have faith in HIS plan!
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PO2 Jeremy Spears
SSG Tolbert, based on your question, I wonder if you've ever had the privilege of reading the book, "True Measure of A Man" by Richard E Simmons, III? This is a book that my mentor, Col. Norman Balchunas (Ret.) gave to me within the first month of our meeting; now two years ago. It is a book that will put a man on God's path in supplement to the Bible! It covers any and all issues men face in situations as you presented. If you haven't, I would encourage you to find a copy. You won't be disappointed!
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That was my thought, start a business in the same field as a competitor and hire the quality applicants they seem to be turning away. My favorite thing about the free market is competition in labor which drives quality of product. If someone can afford to turn away an overqualified applicant, then he must not have enough competition...
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SFC (Join to see), and that there, my friend, is one basic reason why I am a staunch conservative and believe in true equal opportunity instead of equal outcome.
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Getting your foot in the door is important, and even a parking attendant is that foot in the door. Do what needs to be done to get where you want to be. Suck it up sweetheart.
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Exactly. The best way to get a job is to have a job. Getting bent out of shape about it isn't the kind of quality in an individual said company would be looking for anyway. To borrow from Shakespeare: 'The better part of Valor, is Discretion' Humbly do your job well. People will notice and give you something more important to do.
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Getting your foot in the door does not help in this day and age, and is often counter-productive. Fewer companies are promoting from within. If you accept a job as a parking attendant at Company X, it is highly unlikely that Company X will ever consider you for anything other than parking-related duties (you might rise to manage the parking lot, but that's it).
You're better off taking courses to continue your professional development and stay current in your field, if you can afford to not work for a while. If you can't, then get what work you can, but not with a company that you have aspirations for working long-term with, because those companies are actually more likely to hire you if you do not work for them in an unrelated job already.
You're better off taking courses to continue your professional development and stay current in your field, if you can afford to not work for a while. If you can't, then get what work you can, but not with a company that you have aspirations for working long-term with, because those companies are actually more likely to hire you if you do not work for them in an unrelated job already.
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PO2 Terry Lewis
Afraid I'll have to disagree with him too, I've used this very tactic to get in, truth be told as a vet we really are way more able than the average civilian cause we know we can get the job done quit just ain't an option.
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Insulted or not, your first duty and responsibility is to your family and their well being. What ever it takes to put a roof over your head and food on the table. Save your pride for another day.
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MSgt (Join to see) This is the exact response I was going to write. Take the job and continue to provide for family while exploring other avenues. My father had his bachelors and master's degree and when life gave him a raw deal, he was a janitor for a year or so in order to keep a roof over my family's head. Suck up your pride, do what is necessary at the time, and drive on.
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If you're truly that experienced and educated, your resume and interview were flawless, and then they offered you a parking lot attendant position?
You need to continue interviewing with other companies. Obviously it wasn't the right fit. No reason to get insulted (although in my opinion what they did was tasteless), just drive on until you find an employer who can appreciate what you'll bring to the table.
You need to continue interviewing with other companies. Obviously it wasn't the right fit. No reason to get insulted (although in my opinion what they did was tasteless), just drive on until you find an employer who can appreciate what you'll bring to the table.
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I would neither be insulted or take the job. I would simply move on and find employment where my skills are valued and would be compensated. It is rarely personal and most always business.
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Might I suggest a new strategy. I know the job market is tight right now and if you really need the income take the parking lot job. It is not a career you can still look. However this points out several mistakes folks make while looking.
Look for a job when you have a job is of course the best, so when you are close to separating start working on a resume. You mention degrees. I don't mean to insult but what are the fields? Some degrees are not necessarily marketable such as cultural diversity or social sciences (at a BA level)
That aside as you start your search keep these things in mind. First determine who (i.e. which companies hire folks in your field) Are there professional organizations associated with your field (e.g Association of Human Resources , IEEE that sort of thing. Look at joining it is a good source for contacts) Next once you have a feel for the companies rank them in order of priority. Which would you like to work for the most at the top, could care less like the one that offered you the parking job last. Then start at the bottom with your interviews and work your way up. This way you make your interview mistakes with companies you don't particularly care about, have a chance to sharpen your interview skills, gain information on issues and trends in your chosen field etc. As you get closer to the top of your list you are comfortable, confident and in many cases running the interview. Some things to look for when you are interviewing. Does the individual folks popping their heads up) What are the demogragics ( once worked for four years with a large Aerospace firm. Great benefits, terrible management. I found out that they had a lot of young folks and a lot of older folks, no one in the middle. At the time the younger folks were engineers. The company had paid their relocation expense in return for a 1 too 2 year commitment. Once that commitment was up it was such a terrible company folks left. The other end was folks near retirement hanging on for dear life until they could retire. No middle management. Definitely a red flag.
Next during the interview be sure to ask toward the end if there was anything in your qualifications that made them feel that you might not be qualified for the position. This gives you an opportunity to address those issues. If they are insurmountable you can always follow up with a question like "I want to thank you for your time and I hope that you find the person you are looking for. However now that you know me better do you know of anyone who might be interested in someone with my skills?
Other miscellaneous points. Check in to the local reserve center. Sometimes companies or assigned personnel will post opportunities for folks with particular skills (If you are a reservist and happy with your position you might consider doing this for your fellow service members with your companies support.) If you are just separating not retiring consider the reserves it is a good long term insurance program (network opportunities, active duty opportunities, and retirement benefits). I think I have said enough for now. Good luck. What field do you want to go into by the way?
Look for a job when you have a job is of course the best, so when you are close to separating start working on a resume. You mention degrees. I don't mean to insult but what are the fields? Some degrees are not necessarily marketable such as cultural diversity or social sciences (at a BA level)
That aside as you start your search keep these things in mind. First determine who (i.e. which companies hire folks in your field) Are there professional organizations associated with your field (e.g Association of Human Resources , IEEE that sort of thing. Look at joining it is a good source for contacts) Next once you have a feel for the companies rank them in order of priority. Which would you like to work for the most at the top, could care less like the one that offered you the parking job last. Then start at the bottom with your interviews and work your way up. This way you make your interview mistakes with companies you don't particularly care about, have a chance to sharpen your interview skills, gain information on issues and trends in your chosen field etc. As you get closer to the top of your list you are comfortable, confident and in many cases running the interview. Some things to look for when you are interviewing. Does the individual folks popping their heads up) What are the demogragics ( once worked for four years with a large Aerospace firm. Great benefits, terrible management. I found out that they had a lot of young folks and a lot of older folks, no one in the middle. At the time the younger folks were engineers. The company had paid their relocation expense in return for a 1 too 2 year commitment. Once that commitment was up it was such a terrible company folks left. The other end was folks near retirement hanging on for dear life until they could retire. No middle management. Definitely a red flag.
Next during the interview be sure to ask toward the end if there was anything in your qualifications that made them feel that you might not be qualified for the position. This gives you an opportunity to address those issues. If they are insurmountable you can always follow up with a question like "I want to thank you for your time and I hope that you find the person you are looking for. However now that you know me better do you know of anyone who might be interested in someone with my skills?
Other miscellaneous points. Check in to the local reserve center. Sometimes companies or assigned personnel will post opportunities for folks with particular skills (If you are a reservist and happy with your position you might consider doing this for your fellow service members with your companies support.) If you are just separating not retiring consider the reserves it is a good long term insurance program (network opportunities, active duty opportunities, and retirement benefits). I think I have said enough for now. Good luck. What field do you want to go into by the way?
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Depends on your financial needs. If you need a job and that money will get you by then take it. Keep job hunting while you are at least making a little money. Sure it's not the job you want forever, but if it pays the bills, then that's the main thing.
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And that's why I keep voting you down, SFC Gilley. You fail to see (either by design or simply because you do not see) that in the civilian world, after a certain level, things like what kind of a job you take matter.
The idea that a software and database engineer making 75-95K per year take a job as a parking lot attendant because it "pays the bills" is absolutely ridiculous, because that parking lot attendant job is not going to make anywhere near 30K/year.
Furthermore, jobs at a lower level WILL hinder you in your career on the civilian side. You cannot go from Booz Allen Hamilton to McDonalds and expect to go from there immediately to the next opening at Lockheed Martin.
The truth is that you have to look at the situation as a whole. I ended a friendship over this, because one time when I was longer term unemployed, I was seriously considering trying to go back on active duty rather than take a job being a substitute teacher in the Fairfax County (VA) public school system.
It didn't make sense in that situation, and it doesn't make sense in this situation. One size does NOT fit all. Trying to say it does makes you unwise in the extreme.
The idea that a software and database engineer making 75-95K per year take a job as a parking lot attendant because it "pays the bills" is absolutely ridiculous, because that parking lot attendant job is not going to make anywhere near 30K/year.
Furthermore, jobs at a lower level WILL hinder you in your career on the civilian side. You cannot go from Booz Allen Hamilton to McDonalds and expect to go from there immediately to the next opening at Lockheed Martin.
The truth is that you have to look at the situation as a whole. I ended a friendship over this, because one time when I was longer term unemployed, I was seriously considering trying to go back on active duty rather than take a job being a substitute teacher in the Fairfax County (VA) public school system.
It didn't make sense in that situation, and it doesn't make sense in this situation. One size does NOT fit all. Trying to say it does makes you unwise in the extreme.
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And taking any old job just because it pays SOME bills is short-term, limited thinking, not long term thinking.
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SFC Gilley, yes I *am* doing what I do for my family. My wife and I are just as much a family as any other, despite not having children of our own.
SSG Redondo, I will not agree with someone that's wrong just to get up-votes. One size does not fit all, and insisting it does, in the face of evidence to the contrary, makes you unwise in the extreme. I threw no insults, and if you choose to see condescension, that's your problem, not mine, and I refuse to own your problem.
I've been a software and database engineer on the civilian side since I transitioned away from the active duty back in the summer of 2001. If I lost my current civilian job, explain exactly what taking a parking lot attendant job or working at Burger King or some other thing like that is going to do for me?
I'll tell you what it's going to do: it's going to slowly bring me down, because those low level jobs do not have full time benefits, do not allow you to the flexibility you need in order to better yourself to get out of the situations.... and what's worse, they won't even look at someone with that kind of experience, because they KNOW the person will take off when and if a better job does come along.
Honestly the entire premise of the question, when applied to one-size-fits-all, is absolutely ridiculous. One size does NOT fit all.
Expecting a software and database engineer to take a job as a parking lot attendant is what's condescending and insulting.
SSG Redondo, I will not agree with someone that's wrong just to get up-votes. One size does not fit all, and insisting it does, in the face of evidence to the contrary, makes you unwise in the extreme. I threw no insults, and if you choose to see condescension, that's your problem, not mine, and I refuse to own your problem.
I've been a software and database engineer on the civilian side since I transitioned away from the active duty back in the summer of 2001. If I lost my current civilian job, explain exactly what taking a parking lot attendant job or working at Burger King or some other thing like that is going to do for me?
I'll tell you what it's going to do: it's going to slowly bring me down, because those low level jobs do not have full time benefits, do not allow you to the flexibility you need in order to better yourself to get out of the situations.... and what's worse, they won't even look at someone with that kind of experience, because they KNOW the person will take off when and if a better job does come along.
Honestly the entire premise of the question, when applied to one-size-fits-all, is absolutely ridiculous. One size does NOT fit all.
Expecting a software and database engineer to take a job as a parking lot attendant is what's condescending and insulting.
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I'm in that position now unfortunately. I'm at the point where I'm going to be forced to take a significant pay cut so I can have a job and provide for my family. it SUCKS and that's an understatement.
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SFC Mark Merino
MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca I provide alibis free of charge for veterans....just saying....lol?
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Cpl Brett Wagner
MAJ Robert Petrarca & SFC Mark Merino, I have had to take pay cuts the last two years. All totaled I now make $15,000 (yes thousands) less than I did in 2011. I took a job with one of the largest companies in the computer industry and that was the big pay cut I had to take. I thought having that company on my resume would pay off but after hiring on I learned they are notorious for under paying and over working. It started as %50 travel which I did not like then turned into %75 which was unacceptable. When I did travel I was limited to $50 per day for food whether I was in Butt-Scratch AR or London England. BTW most of the time it was places like London, NYC etc. So I left and since I am honest and afraid a company will check on my salary no one was will to pay much more. I must say I now work for a great company, it is small and I don't get paid as well and the benefits are not as good but the people are great and they treat me well like I am a human not a machine.
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Cpl Brett Wagner, MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca I was in the same situation. I was laid off in 2012 and lost 62% of my pay. But... I had to do what I had to do to support my family. I still make around 48% less than I did three years ago, but I'd like to think I'm recovering. At least the benefits for working for the state are very good and allow me to make sure my T1 Diabetic daughter has insulin and test strips.
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