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Soldiers just completed a 32-hour mission on the road. They get to a tiny FOB in Iraq and have 12 minutes left to grab food before the chow hall closes. The Soldiers are not freshly shaved and cannot easily access their personal hygiene items therefore technically out of regulation. Would you enforce the standard and make the Soldiers immediately go shave or would you not enforce the standard and let the Soldiers go eat?
With so many responses on RP about how we don’t have the right to pick and choose which standards we enforce, what would you do?
With so many responses on RP about how we don’t have the right to pick and choose which standards we enforce, what would you do?
Standards
Common sense
Army Regulations
Posted >1 y ago
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It shouldn't even come up as a question....You have hard working soldiers who need to eat and keep on the mission. If the DFAC is goin to close get your guys in and out then worry about the shave, have a good NCO ready to run point for the guys heading into the DFAC and hit it hard and fast lol. Then get out before any heat can be brought to bear. If you catch flak it'll be after the fact and they can't take the food out of your troops.
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Have a soldier who is within regs get the soldiers who aren't some takeout meals.
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Well of course they are going to eat. But what horrible leadership is not making sure that the chow will be ready for them no matter their condition?
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Capt Jeff S.
Horrible leadership? At what level? The SFC's? ???
Sometimes "$h17 happens" and you just have to roll with things. The scenario doesn't say why that ball got dropped. We simply don't know why the food wasn't there. But rather than assign blame, you exercise good judgment and fix the immediate problem... and, if warranted, you do the after actions later. For all we know, a situation may have come up that required the leaders' immediate attention and that contributed to the ball being dropped. To a$$ume that the leadership is horrible is a bit over-reacting, don't you think?
Sometimes "$h17 happens" and you just have to roll with things. The scenario doesn't say why that ball got dropped. We simply don't know why the food wasn't there. But rather than assign blame, you exercise good judgment and fix the immediate problem... and, if warranted, you do the after actions later. For all we know, a situation may have come up that required the leaders' immediate attention and that contributed to the ball being dropped. To a$$ume that the leadership is horrible is a bit over-reacting, don't you think?
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The best military quote I've ever heard was a simple one. "A leader has only two jobs - the accomplishment of the mission and the welfare of their people". This statement is, more or less, the true "standard". It distills all of the various notions of "duty" down into one simple sentence.
The rules, regulations, and guidelines that we have in place are not standards. They are merely tools used to try to enforce the standard. They will sometimes fail. When there is an obvious discrepancy between a rule or regulation and the standard it is trying to achieve, the standard should be the guiding factor.
We don't need rule enforcers. We need people with common sense and good judgement, who understand what the end result is supposed to be - and how to get there.
The rules, regulations, and guidelines that we have in place are not standards. They are merely tools used to try to enforce the standard. They will sometimes fail. When there is an obvious discrepancy between a rule or regulation and the standard it is trying to achieve, the standard should be the guiding factor.
We don't need rule enforcers. We need people with common sense and good judgement, who understand what the end result is supposed to be - and how to get there.
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12 minutes left? The Soldiers have to eat. I knew that I needed my Soldiers to operate at peak efficiency. The creed steps in here "...accomplishment of my mission and the welfare of my Soldiers" It would be counter to both the mission and the welfare of those Soldiers to trade food for shaving. They can shave after eating. What is an ass chewing anyway?
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Simple, 'Ok men, we got 12 minutes left to grab something to eat at the mess hall, wash your hands before you eat then come back and hit the shower.
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I would send in the cleanest soldiers I have to collect as many plates as they can by giving the dfac all their id cards so that the soldiers that are out of regs can stay in their truck and not offend the personnel in the chow hall, regulations are regulations and the standard should be upheld at all times.
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SSG (Join to see)
Good idea, but regulations state that your ID card is to ALWAYS be on your person. You cannot give your ID card to another soldier. Hence the last 4 lists we constantly generate for to go plates at the dfacs.
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