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Recently someone asked the question "How do we heal after Ferguson?" No one ever mentioned the the FOUR NYC policemen attacked by a madman with a hatchet, now two NY policemen have been shot execution style. No one ever mentioned the good policemen do everyday. Have our elected officials made the situation better or worse?
http://www.abc6.com/story/27678979/two-nyc-cops-killed-in-ambush-shooting
http://www.abc6.com/story/27678979/two-nyc-cops-killed-in-ambush-shooting
Posted 11 y ago
Responses: 35
...And of course, the 2 cops killed weren't even "white." One was Latino and the other Asian.....
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Cpl Brett Wagner
LTC Paul Labrador - Thank you, thank you, thank you. Were in my question was anything about race? We need to start to see these issues as "criminals and police" there are good cops and bad as I have said so many times before on RP.
BTW - I agree with you on the Gardner case and I wrote about that here on RP.
So can we please take race out of these thread? <- not directed at you LTC Paul Labrador
BTW - I agree with you on the Gardner case and I wrote about that here on RP.
So can we please take race out of these thread? <- not directed at you LTC Paul Labrador
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I believe people are thrown off by the statistics which do show a strong correlation between being black and being shot by the police, it’s a mistake to believe that (in most cases) race is the cause. Poverty and a lack of opportunity is a major cause, gang and criminal activity in impoverished areas is a cause, race is sometimes a cause… however I believe that has become rare. I think it’s a good thing that people are protesting police not being held to as high a standard as they believe is appropriate, we should hold police to very high standards. At the same time we also need to acknowledge the heroism and sacrifices that police officers make on a daily basis. IMO, there is no disconnect between believing that some reform is needed within many police departments/agencies and that police officers deserve our gratitude and respect.
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Freedom of the press and freedom of speech is being abused. Sensationalization of the news makes money. Cops are portrayed as evil, and some civilians are victims. If the situation dowsn't fulfill the headline media-hype criteria it is dismissed. Let the 9,999 selfless acts fall to the wayside and take the one act in question determine a race, or organization, or a cause. Headline grabbers and "advocates" come out of the woodworks to line their pockets. Whatever happened to reporting the news instead of creating the news?
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After being Honorably Discharged from the Marine Corps I was appointed to the NH State Police. It was 1971 that I was appointed as a Trooper and I served the State from 1971 until my retirement in August 1991. During that time, I had the good fortune to do it all. I was a Trooper patrolling the State Highways and eventually being promoted to Detectives on the Major Crime Unit and then as a line Sergeant, supervisor. Back then, we didn't have any cameras watching over us. There were no cell phones and hell, we didn't even have portable radios. We worked alone and that included patrolling the State's highways on the midnight shift. I did not ever worry about anyone attacking me because back then, we were respected. Hell, we demanded that respect and we didn't put up with any bull at all from anyone, no matter what color or who they were.. Most of us were Veterans and we knew how to take acre of ourselves, take orders from our supervisors and used good old common sense . We always called for back-up when we thought we needed it. Back in the 70's and early 80's, yes we had those hard core left wing radical groups, like the United Freedom Front, The Weathermen, Black Panther Party and many more that hated authorities but we had good old fashion intelligence and neighboring States worked together and shared that intelligence information. Sure, we had our usual 10 % of slackers, but that was in any line of civilian life. Those who just did enough to get by. But things started to change and it became very apparent that the job and those who were joining the Force were a different bread. Now instead of Veterans, we were getting college graduates and they all wanted to be the boss because they were educated. Instead of following orders, they started asking that stupid question "why me." "Why do I have to do that?" Well, we had a few of our Troopers getting assaulted during traffic stops and of course, we had some even get shot at. Even in our remote State of NH, we had our encounters with some of these bad ass criminals that tried and did succeed in fatally shooting some of our Troopers, especially on SWAT and domestic calls or just stopping the wrong vehicle. As a cop, you never know who your were stopping but the one being stopped knew that we were the Law. I had the race card pulled on me so many times and every time I did, I told that subject that I didn't care what color he or she was and that they were going to be treated just like everyone else. Now, it seems that the Police today are targets to every radical group and yes, the administration is partly to blame for this. Today, values have changed and their is little respect for anyone in authority, especially the Police. I could go on and on, but I would sound like a broken record. How do we heal, we heal together, together as a Nation and hopefully, good values and respect for authorities, the Police Officer doing his job, will turn around and these atrocious shootings of our Police Officers will someday cease.
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Cpl Brett Wagner
Sgt David G Duchesneau - Sir I thank you for your service as a Marine and a Trooper. My uncle served 30 years as an Army MP, then a policeman in KY eventually promoted to Cheif later he ran for sheriff and won. He like you are now was a great man. When I was growing up no one every gave a policeman any guff. If a policeman were to have ever had to talk to me I would rather take a kick in the ass from then have him take me how to my parents. My father would have killed me. I always make a point of thanking policemen when I can especially when my kids are around. So again thank you.
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Sgt David G Duchesneau
Brett, thank you! Those are the values and respect that I was talking about. Our parents instilled that in us. Today, parent's do not actively get involved in whatever their kids are doing and now, we, society are paying the price for that. Everything starts in the home and we need to get back to that good old-time basic values that we were taught, respect! Respect for each other and respect for authority. SF!
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"How do we heal after Ferguson?" I think the question is more or less “how can we?” There is a nation-wide movement underway this very day to undermine the efforts for upholding law and order in our country, and the flames have been fanned by the current administration, and others who are self-appointed leaders that call themselves reverend. "To provide for the common defense" as the Preamble to our Constitution says, applies to our military as well as our police force, both nationally and internationally. For the one or two bad cops that make the news weekly, there are thousands of great deeds done daily by these men and women who serve that go unnoticed and unreported. I have the greatest respect and admiration for those who go into tense situations not knowing if they need to draw their weapons or not. One thing I did learn growing up is to respect authority, whether that is your parents, your boss, or the police. If the police have any reason to suspect that you have broken the law, then they will use force to take you down, especially if you resist. The two recent cases that have caused the tension were both cases where those individuals were breaking the law and then resisted. It is unfortunate that any one dies in those situations, but when authorities tell you to comply with their orders, but you keep on disobeying, they will take action. And most certainly if you threaten their lives they are trained to respond with their weapons. Kill or be killed is central to Rules of Engagement whether you serve in a combat zone or in the police force. Treyvon Martin gets a statement from the President. The Administration sends representatives to the Brown funeral in Ferguson. Two police officers are killed execution style in NYC and the crowd cheers, and the President is on vacation. Of course Mr. Sharpton has backed away from taking any heat, even after leading a demonstration last week in NYC where 3rd world citizens living in our country were chanting “What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!” This is not free speech. These are verbal threats, the same type of threats that get people thrown in jail for making against the President of the United States. I wonder where our Attorney General is after these recent police murders. He ought to be mobilizing the police force to round up the antagonists that are fueling these circumstances. Mayor DeBlasio certainly has no fans and cannot possibly maintain good order and discipline in the city of New York. He should be recalled or resign. It would be understandable if every cop in NYC turned their back on serving and walked off duty. I know they won’t because they take great pride in protecting the law-abiding citizens of that great city. It is difficult to watch a city get torn apart as in Ferguson and now in NYC. Watching the widow of Officer Liu taking time to thank the people for supporting her and the police force under such terrible circumstances was heart wrenching. The perpetrators won’t even abide by the Mayor’s personal plea to stand down until the city has had the time to pay respect and bury their dead officers. Officer Ramos’ was about to be ordained as a minister. He probably had more skill and ability than so called Reverend Sharpton. What a tragic loss. Yes, our leaders are making things worse. There is no accountability anymore. Apparently, those who continue to march want the police to vanish so they can exercise their free will to rape and pillage businesses owned by hard working American. Last thing I want to say about this is that if you watch the interview with these people, they are so caught up in using race as their argument. They cannot justify this in any way against the two deceased policemen, as they were of Asian and Hispanic descent. It is a losing battle to even try and reason with them. So expect them to cheer every time another police officer gets killed in the line of duty. Shameful, un-American punks and thugs. God will have their final answer.
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Cpl Brett Wagner
CAPT Gary Foster - COuld not agree with you any more sir. I wish you Fair winds and following seas throughout your life sir. Hope to see more of your writing skipper.
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CAPT Gary Foster
Thanks Brett, and Merry Christmas to you. Your question is compelling and so very relevant right now. Thanks also for your service!
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LCpl James Robertson
Black Americans is not for the killing of Police Officers, we are a very misunderstood race, people can call us on the things they hear in protesting, and other vile things, in any protest all motives are not the same, these are suppose to be non-violent protest. The black race in itself do not have a leader that we are taking orders from such as Al Sharpton, believe it or not young black Americans are against the principles of non-violent protest for Justice and Peace. Some of their antics has cause people to past judgment on a whole race of people, there is not one black American in his right mind, would want the killing of Police Officer, we perceive and don't condone violence as any other race of people. No one wanted the Mentally ill person to take these officers lives. All everyone who is marching is trying to express is we just want the killing to stop, and that the Criminal Justice System to treat us the same as any other race, the outrage that you sometimes see, is not because of these recent killings going un-prosecuted. This is a History of discriminatory practices, looking at the number of blacks, who has served (20), (30) and (40) years in Prison, and have been found no guilty for crimes they were alleged to have committed, some had sign statements of crimes they have committed and couldn't even write. So as far as your question goes we are not healed by the killing of Police Officer. There are a lot of mentally ill people on this earth, everyone probably know someone who is mentally ill in someone's family, let me ask you one thing can you control them if they goes off there medications, or some can't even get admitted to Mental Institutions because of budget cuts, these same mentally ill people have access to guns, and endangers all our lives, my suggestion would be if you see someone that you think maybe in need of mental health, call the Police, to get them off the streets, so that they may receive treatment.
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This execution/murder of the NYC officers was clearly wrong, on so many levels. It doesn't heal anything. Now, LEOs will look at ALL of us black men as a threat, regardless. Killing cops, especially cops who were sitting in their patrol car not doing anything, is NEVER the answer to racial injustice and police brutality. I hope the shooter rots in Hell.
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First, the race baiters can stay out of it, and they are public officials. I won't say their names; I think some of you can name a few.
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As a 16 yr. member of law enforcement, in my opinion, things have been getting progressively worse, especially over the past 12-24 months. The race-baiting, the bad mouthing, lack of support from certain quarters and overall general disdain coming being directed at law enforcement, including assaults/killings of numerous officers. I haven't seen law enforcement with a target on their backs since the 1970's and I for one am quite wary.
Make sense?
Make sense?
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Cpl Brett Wagner
PO1 Michael Fullmer - first thank you for your service as a sailor & LEO. Yes you are making sense & I thought the same about the 70s when sick people would call in to police or firemen for help & when they showed up to help police & firemen were sniped.
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Capt Bill Brett PO2 Ed C. Sad that change never happens except marches and flash mobs. Worst of all are the innocents who live in those places. SFC Mark Merino
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