Posted on Nov 3, 2020
Is calling a MSG in the Army “Top” appropriate or only exclusively used for a 1SG?
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I didn’t mind it but I served under a 1st Sgt that hated it. He would get in your face and say “Do I look like I spin in my head? Don’t you ever call me Top, I am a 1st Sgt”. I thought to myself damn lighten up would you. I’ve always called my 1st Sgt “Top”. Felt sorry for the PFC. but the rest of the company learned quickly not to call him Top.
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MSG Bobby Dean
Top is a term used out of respect by subordinates in a unit he served in. I still to this day have soldiers at the gate on Benning call me "Top" when i enter the check point. So i dont mind it at all. I guess what your perspective is of your unit and how much of a douche you want to be. I always say Go in strong and loud to set the standard then back off a little. It is easier to back off of a standard set than trying to go strong on soft standards.
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1SG Stephen Dalton
I think it an honor to be called Top. I was a First Sergeant in 2002, then worked in S-3 as a MSG for five years, many still called me Top even my LTC and CSM. Then I was a 1SG again for my final year in the Army. If you get all whacko because someone calls you Top, consider that they probably meant it as a compliment and the problem is yours. One time as a SSG, I was walking late in the evening, and couldn't see the guys collar very clearly as he walked toward me, but I knew there were a lot of stripes and a diamond or a star. I said, "Good evening, Top!" He said, "It's been years since I was a GD 1SG. But you know what Sergeant? It was one of the best jobs I ever had, and it still makes me feel good to be called Top because I know it is meant as respectful. Thank you, Sergeant!" But technically, the top enlisted man in the Army is a SGM/CSM.
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1SG Eddie Jones
I had them call me 1SG or Top, It all meant the same to me. My people always showed me respect and I showed it to them. Since I retired, if I see them they will call me Top or 1SG.
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First Sergeants only, but I would say that it is a very informal term of address and many First Sergeants don't like it.
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LTC (Join to see)
It has been my experience that if the troops like/respect him they are more likely to refer to a 1SG as "Top". If he's a douche nugget they are more formal.
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SSG Jeff Furgerson
Agreed 1SG Healy, it is probably not a good idea to assume it is ok to call a 1SG , top, I seen in one instance where a soldier did it and the 1SG’s response was doing I like I spin young man lol
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This definitely varies by unit. I've only seen top used in support companies and never in combat arms units, particularly airborne combat arms units.
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MSG Felipe De Leon Brown
Special Forces is a combat arms unit. The senior enlisted of a SFOD–A is a Master Sergeant and almost always referred to or addressed as "Top". The SFOD–B is a SF Company and the senior enlisted is a SGM.
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MSG Felipe De Leon Brown an A team Team SGT is a platoon level billet. While the SF Company NCOIC is a SGM, that's a company level billet. The BN OIC is still a LTC and the BN NCOIC is a CSM.
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MSG Felipe De Leon Brown
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I'm going to have to disagree with you on your notion of an SFODA Opns Sgt being a platoon level billet. I viewed your profile and I noticed that you didn't list having attended the SFQC. I don't know where you acquired your information but it does not click with what I experienced in the years that I served in SF. The organization that SF now has dates from 1972. We had no "Battalions" in our TOE before then. A typical full-strength SF "Company" before 1972 consisted of a Hq Det., Four (4) SFOD-Bs and 24 SFOD-As and attachments (e.g., Signal Platoon, MI Det., etc.) just as a separate "Battalion" does now. The SFODA Tm Sgt has ALWAYS been on the level of a Bn SGM.
Special Forces is the epitome of a force multiplier. As such, one SFODA can train, equip and advise a Bn of infantry soldiers. Most 18Z50s, I believe, would and should take umbrage with anyone who has the notion that his billet is a platoon level billet. BTW, I advised and led platoons as a SP4 and SGT in Viet Nam. Once I was promoted to SGT, I led platoons and companies on combat operations. How many conventional infantry E-4s, E-5s or E-6s can say that?
SGT Robert Pryor
I'm going to have to disagree with you on your notion of an SFODA Opns Sgt being a platoon level billet. I viewed your profile and I noticed that you didn't list having attended the SFQC. I don't know where you acquired your information but it does not click with what I experienced in the years that I served in SF. The organization that SF now has dates from 1972. We had no "Battalions" in our TOE before then. A typical full-strength SF "Company" before 1972 consisted of a Hq Det., Four (4) SFOD-Bs and 24 SFOD-As and attachments (e.g., Signal Platoon, MI Det., etc.) just as a separate "Battalion" does now. The SFODA Tm Sgt has ALWAYS been on the level of a Bn SGM.
Special Forces is the epitome of a force multiplier. As such, one SFODA can train, equip and advise a Bn of infantry soldiers. Most 18Z50s, I believe, would and should take umbrage with anyone who has the notion that his billet is a platoon level billet. BTW, I advised and led platoons as a SP4 and SGT in Viet Nam. Once I was promoted to SGT, I led platoons and companies on combat operations. How many conventional infantry E-4s, E-5s or E-6s can say that?
SGT Robert Pryor
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