Posted on Jul 8, 2016
Is it appropriate to confront a higher rank when they are blatantly disregarding regs?
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So last week I was at the chow hall with another girl from my squadron, and we see this SSgt wearing nearly black lipstick across the room. This is very obviously out of regs as makeup is to be conservative and lipstick can not contrast with your skin tone. She was obviously a higher rank than me or the airman I went to chow with, and neither of us said anything even though both of us desperately wanted to. She looked ridiculous. It was so bad that some male airmen at the table next to us noticed it and asked us about the reg. Anyway my question is, is it appropriate to confront a higher rank when they are blatantly disregarding regs?
PS There was a visiting 2 star across the chow hall at the time
PPS Sorry the pictures are so bad. We were far away.
PS There was a visiting 2 star across the chow hall at the time
PPS Sorry the pictures are so bad. We were far away.
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Read the blue book. All Airmen of all tiers have a responsibility to hold eachother accountable to the standards set forth by higher headquarters. Rank plays no role in that. Of course be respectful, but if you are disciplined for it then she can actually get in trouble as that is an IG incident. As an NCO she should set an example, she is not living up to the expectations of her rank.
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Everyone in the Military is held to higher standards. Never be afraid to confront someone who is out of regs. Correct tactfully though.
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Cpl Terry Williams
I was out of the Marine Corps for about two years, when I went to pick up family at the San Deigo air port, A new Marine was at the airport sporting in his Charlie's on his way home from boot camp, but had the most God awful New York grease ball necklace on, I went up to the him and started screaming at him, telling him I was gonna rip that guido off his neck and shove it down his wind pipe. He quickly removed the offending jewelry, and apologized profusely,
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CPL Wilfred Roberge
Cpl Terry Williams - I used to always correct the messed up ROTC Cadets on my College Campus for not knowing how to where thier uniform and wearing PT's while listening to thier IPOD or walking and talking on a Cell Phone in Uniform, I loved it!!!!!!! I dropped one and made him do push-ups because I had corrected him numerous times, the next time I was going to write him a counceling statement (even though he was outside of my chain of command since he had disregarded regulations and the advice of a veteran and seriving duty qualified soldier) , he tried to "pull rank saying he was a "Cadet geting "E-5 pay" I then said but you are still just a cadet at a college and not duty qualified so until you are duty qualified you are not out ranking me especially when you are doing all inds of jacked up shit in uniform!!!!!"
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CPL Wilfred Roberge
wow, I did all kinds of jacked up spelling darn my phone!!!!! Usually I am a stickler for grammar and spelling!!!!!
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CPL Wilfred Roberge
I agree, but I loved to confront and correct out of reg ROTC Cadets on my Campus whom had to go to another College's Campus for ROTC so when on our Campus they were pretty much on their own and unaccountable to nobody. I would catch they w/o headgear/covers and instead wearing (we were in Massachusetts) a Red Sox hat, I told the kid/Cadet to remove it because it is better to be wrong and not have your cover than not have your cover AND be wearing a cover which is out of regs. Kid/Cadet tries to pull Rank, I wouldn't have none of that being a Veteran. I also stopped a number of Cadets for walking a talking/texting on a cell in uniform as well as using IPODS in Uniform.
I explained if you are going to lead me you had better learn the standards sooner than later. I eventually drafted a letter to the ROTC Commander/Instructors at other campus about offending students.
I explained if you are going to lead me you had better learn the standards sooner than later. I eventually drafted a letter to the ROTC Commander/Instructors at other campus about offending students.
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If you see something out of regs and don't correct it the. You just allowed them to set a new standard. Everyone can be corrected. Do it tactfully and make sure you are 100% within regs before approaching them.
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Yes! Be tactful. But don't be surprised if you get blown off or laid in to. Shitbirds like the one pictured do the wrong thing, know it, and think they are above the law.
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Absolutely you correct them. Be respectful dont go screaming at em. Your job is also to correct the standard when you see it is wrong
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Yes you should! It does not matter if a SSgt or General. Just be tactful about it.
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I would Have Had to ask If you could talk to Her about her appearance on the side and Make
on the spot correction. Maybe She would listen to you or Not but Don't let PEOPLE GET AWAY WITH THAT BECAUSE YOU SAW SOMETHING AND YOU WERE BEING HONEST TO HER AND LET KNOW THAT SHE WAS WRONG. WHAT IF THE SHOE WAS ON THE OTHER FOOT AND SOMEONE CORRECTED YOU HOW WOULD YOU HANDLE IT?
on the spot correction. Maybe She would listen to you or Not but Don't let PEOPLE GET AWAY WITH THAT BECAUSE YOU SAW SOMETHING AND YOU WERE BEING HONEST TO HER AND LET KNOW THAT SHE WAS WRONG. WHAT IF THE SHOE WAS ON THE OTHER FOOT AND SOMEONE CORRECTED YOU HOW WOULD YOU HANDLE IT?
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Respect the rank don't fear it! You absolutely were well with in your boundaries as a fellow airman of USAF to call anybody out for being out of regs as long as you handle it with respect you will be good
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It is fine to talk to a person of any rank who you feel is out of regulation. In fact, it is your obligation to. However, here's some key advice on how to do it: 1. First, make sure you're going off of facts. Look at AFI 36-2903 (pull it up on your phone if you're not carrying the AFI around with you), and make sure you know for sure the person is in violation. 2. If one or two of you together want to talk to the person, that's fine, but always pull them aside... Never embarrass them publically. 3. Be respectful, whether they out rank you or not. People take criticism a lot better when you talk to them in a respectful, non confrontational way.
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Yes, it is completely appropriate but the important thing is doing it the correct way. The wrong way would be to walk up and blatantly call them out on it in an embarrassing manner. The correct way would be to pull them aside and respectfully tell them or ask if they are aware that XYZ (whatever the infraction is) is not in line with the guidance. As a CMSgt, that is how I handle it from the highest officer rank to the lowest enlisted. I would also say that I want an Airman to watch out for me and let me know because in the end, it's an Airman taking care of an Airman. If you are respectful and they respond negatively, just smile make sure to note the name and rank and address it with your leadership if it is warranted. Just my advice.
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