Posted on Jun 15, 2017
Is it just a Guard thing when AIT graduates have difficulty with the APFT?
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Since I became an Officer, I noticed that many New Soliders are arriving to the unit and are failinng the APFT, and are failing to see why it is important to pass. Is anyone else having a similar issue, or is this just a National Guard and Reserves thing?
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I left the Marine Corps in 1990 and reenlisted in the army national guard in 2000 and took my first pt test at 34years old and I smoke 1-2 packs a day and was the 2nd to cross the finish line at about 13 minutes ahead of 20 kids between 19 and 25 went to fort drum for school a year later and did pt test with active duty soldiers from 10th mountain and had about the same results but they did beat me at sit ups and push ups as I didn't try to max jus about 10 - 20 over my minimum due too bad back and shoulder so it's not the guard its the x-box generation are a bunch of pussies
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Bad APFT performance across a unit is a reflection of the leaders in that unit allowing that to be acceptable behavior
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1LT (Join to see)
Sir most of the failures are recent graduates of AIT. Our other failures are constantly working and trying to meet the standard. after a few months they normally pass, and do so very well.
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MAJ (Join to see)
That makes no sense regarding the Reserve component. Leaders that only see Soldiers two days a year have zero ability to influence their physical fitness, any other ideas are delusions.
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1LT (Join to see)
We do fairly well, but it is really easy to see who is in it for college money and who wants to be a part of the organization. Those with the drive to do so, go onto learn from their shortcomings and pass with flying colors, it may take a while, but they tend to redeem themselves.
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CPT Ray Doeksen
MAJ (Join to see) - I would say "not much" rather than zero. You can influence, but you can't control. A reserve component officer can do some things, but can't control their own strength, can't get rid of a soldier who hasn't killed anyone yet, has very few conventional methods available. CPT Kletzing is ignoring that for 1/3 of the Army (Guard and Reserve) strength, there is very little administratively you can do. You're only going to be in that slot for a short time, but in that time you can try to squeeze in PT in addition to required training, you can set the example by being fit yourself, you can conduct APFT as often as you can, conduct it professionally, screen for weight frequently, make a weight room and a track for your armory, find discounts for gyms, bring in a personal trainer, aim soldiers to sources for cheap refurbished bikes (Working Bikes in Chicago is an example of a place where a soldier could do volunteer hours and learn bike maintenance and come out of it with their own bike, and maybe drive less and exercise more.
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Anyone who is literally fresh out of basic should be able to pass, whether Active, Guard or Reserve. That said, a year ago, I got a soldier who arrived at our Reserve unit 3 days after graduation and failed the APFT. He would later redeem himself and hadn't failed since, but damn!
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