Posted on Feb 20, 2015
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The U.S. Army War College published the following study that Army Officers lie, evade, and practice deception.
Is it just Army Officers or is it every branch and all leaders?
How do we ultimately fix the perception that we are a bunch of liars who don't care about anything else.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/02/19/politics/army-ethics-lying-report/
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/19/politics/army-ethics-lying-report/

Needless to say, lying is normally a bad thing. In light of the latest scandal about Army leaders lying, it would be interesting to see how they would stack up against the average American citizen.

What's your thoughts?
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TSgt Cable &Amp; Antenna Operations Supervisor
Edited 10 y ago
Yes, It's clearly only the Army!


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I think if you hit enter before your url and then typed the comment before or after you would be better formatted.

Thanks for the additional links.
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I managed to get the links embedded into the text. Which was what I was going for.
CSM David Heidke
I love the way the War College says that responding to requirements is based on deceit and deception, and not that a Commander is simply trying to come up with creative ways to deal with 600 days of training requirements in 365 days.

The Pentagon has been dreaming up so much "good idea" training that really has nothing to do with Soldiering that we really need to put a stop to.

I have recently been exposed to some really good Senior Officers who are saying enough is enough and reporting back that certain training wasn't done because of lack of time and that they will assume the risk.

Perhaps we chapter out tons of Soldiers from the Reserves because instead of driving a truck for the past 6 months they've been parked in a conference room taking a three finger mitten safety powerpoint class, assigned by an officer at the Pentagon who hasn't worn them in so long he/she doesn't realize they aren't even issued anymore.

I find this study distasteful.
SMSgt Bryan Raines
I must agree with SMSgt Minister Gerald A. Thomas. At some point everyone lies. Just to be clear, if what you say or write is not the truth it is a lie, if you omit the truth that can also be a lie . That being said is the lie CYA or is it for "good" i.e. "No dear that dress does not make you look fat." We all lie but the lies that affect us most are FIT REP reports, EPRS (are they still called that?), Unit Readiness reports, etc you get my drift. These lies are usually found out and are what makes us look bad in eyes of the public. The public wants/expects the military to be honorable and therefore, for good or bad, holds us to a higher standard.

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