Posted on Mar 17, 2016
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I've seen a new E-5 in my unit with the deployment OCP (the shoulders are Velcro pockets like the ACU not zippers, faintly faded, with a fuller only jacket zipper) without a deployment patch, or skill badges I.E CIB, AAS, Etc. he approached me for work and as we were talking he brought up how things worked at his last unit, and I asked him where he was deployed to and he said he wasn't (No right shoulder patch) but from what I understood those OCP's we're only given out to those who have been deployed to the Middle East the last year or so. Can anyone clarify on this? Thank you.
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SGT Chris Tilton
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Hi, my name is rally point. I have a large social media platform within the military community. Instead of using this platform to bring people together or to post useful and helpful shit, we are going to make it a giant bitch fest. Cheers!
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1SG Civil Affairs Specialist
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That top response thread is something else.
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CPT Current Operations Officer (J33)
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I have a pair that I wear and I have never deployed.

Buddy had a great new set from a deployment that wasn't used, it was my size, and I don't plan on shelling out for the new uniforms until 2019.

That being said, I know that although not required, it's kind of nice to know that if I know 99% of the people at a function or gathering will be wearing the new uniform, I won't stick out like a sore thumb so badly.
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SFC Equal Opportunity Advisor
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Not wanting to stick out is the main reason I purchased five sets of ACUs before going to an Active Duty school way back when. I could have waited two or three years before the Guard issued them to me, but that wouldn't have helped me then.
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CPL(P) Intelligence Analyst
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Some units receive OCP through RFI without deploying. This includes SOF units and GRF units such as the 82d.
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CSM James Winslow
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Short answer: Yes. Already been approved waaay above your pay grade. Move out.
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SPC Suzan Ruiz
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I am so ashamed of the high school bull this soldiers question started. At least he had the courage to ask, instead maybe we should answer his question so he can learn instead of cutting him off at the knees. Shame on all of you for taking offense.
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CSM James W
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As you get older and more experienced in life, you learn that there some questions that deserve or require lengthy explanations and developed reasoning to understand. You also learn that there those questions that do not, because it is a waste of time and mental energy. This is one of the latter. The CEO of our organization (to put it in civilian terms) has made the decision that we are allowed to wear a particular suit of clothes to work. Does it really require a whole lot of explanation?
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SGT Information Technology Specialist
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Great responses. Every response I've read so far not only has taught this PFC respect, but exemplified what it is to be an NCO. Citing regulations, teaching respect for leadership, and more.
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We try, SGT (Join to see). There are outliers that get pissy about it, but most of the community tries to help where we can.
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SGT Squad Leader
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Keep reading. There are plenty of responses that are not constructive to this soldier.
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SGT Infantryman
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I mean it's a little lame to wear them without actually having deployed but it's authorized.
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SGT Robert Pennington
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Honestly this is the wrong type of question to be asking on a military networking sight. Ask questions about how you can be a better solider, not how you can regulate other people's actions.
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SGT Robert Pennington
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Edit: site* not "sight."
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SSG Squad Leader
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I like your mindset PFC Pennington. Keep it up and stick to the high road.
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SGT Robert Pennington
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Thanks ssg!
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SFC Barry Wiseman
SFC Barry Wiseman
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Wrong. Upholding the standard and gaining knowledge is the correct action. However I do feel the soldier should have gotten a copy of AR670-1 from unit library and researched the question. I do not believe in "spoon feeding" lower enlisted, does not teach them anything
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SGT Chris Hill
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Firs of all PFC, it's not proper to call an NCO by their pay grade. Secondly, OCPs and multicam are authorized to wear, maybe he got them from a buddy who had extra sets or maybe he got them from a thrift store, it's not your lane to challenge an NCO about what he wears. You should have been dropped and smoked for being disrespectful.
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SFC Barry Wiseman
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As I agree rank is not meant to hide behind, solid knowledge and being technically and tactically proficient is a key to an NCOs skill set. However, prior to my retirement I saw the NCO lose a lot of their authority and ability to mentor and educate soldiers. The discipline, or lack there of, is a constant growing problem in today's military.
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SGT Chris Hill
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Do not agree with what?
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SGT Chris Hill
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There's nothing to disagree with, it's an allowed uniform along with OCPs. There's too many stolen valor cases going on to worry about an actual soldier wearing multicams. It literally says that multicams and OCPs are authorized to wear, it says nothing about wearing multicams only if you've been deployed. I disagree with you voting me down due to disagreeing with me, not like I said something rude or offensive.
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SFC Gary Bodirsky Branscum
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SGT so a young Soldier asks a simple question, without naming unit or names, and you berate him. That makes you a toxic NCO. The only bad question is the one not asked
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SPC(P) Carlos Santini
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Cpl William Bailey
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The way everything is ran today does it matter what you wear to your free dinner at golden corral
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SFC James Young
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Dear Snot Nosed PFC, have you ever been deployed? Then shut up!
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SSG Thomas McNabb
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SFC Young.
It was a legitimate question from a subordinate troop. Don't be a freaking tool.
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I'm glad your profile says retired, it's NCO'S like you that hold all the troops back.
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
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What an imbecilic and completely unprofessional answer, unless it was satire that we all missed.
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SPC Darren Coffenberry
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Senior NCOs like you make subordinates hate the service. I bet you were a shit bag leader too.
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MAJ Michael Moffeit
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Do you mean Multi-cam? If so, there's nothing that says he can't wear them. All three are allowed through the transition period.
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WO1 Electronic Maintenance Chief
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Yes they are authorized reguardless of how they got issued or purchased in this case. Get busy being the best Joe you can be and don't sweat these things. Good luck
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SGT Human Intelligence Collector
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PFC,

My advice to you is to worry less about the NCO's uniform that he/she is wearing and more about the experience and leadership they are potentially bringing to your unit. Focus on their ability to perform and on the job technical experience that will in turn make you a better soldier.

-SGT Fullana
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SSG Ian Guttendorf
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First off you need to read regulations, PRIVATE, before you begin to run your mouth. Second E-5 is a pay grade not rank. That sergeant earned their rank, they were recommended by their superior and you should recognize that. Third, why the hell are you on the internet asking when you could have approached that sergeant to fulfill your curiosity?
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
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Perhaps the NCO was someone that talk like you post and he was afraid to ask.
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SPC Darren Coffenberry
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Being a SSG I would assume you have been to leadership schools, how in the heck did you make it through them? Your demeanor is awful.
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SFC Ralph E Kelley
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Goodwill is more than the name of a thrift store. He was truthful so let it go.
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SSG Drill Sergeant
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You can by OCP's on your own, they are not indicative of time overseas. A brand new private can buy and wear them if they want to spend the money.
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SPC (Join to see) I've seen most of your replies. This is the bottom line. If the regulations say that it is authorized, then it is AUTHORIZED. Whether or not you believe that he should be wearing them. Research AR 670-1 and every other memo that has come down to make a determination. Your "opinion" does not count. Bonus tip: Wearing mismatched uniform items is authorized (i.e. full OCP uniform with ACU cold weather gear).

"Can I wear my green fleece or Universal Camouflage Pattern cold weather gear with the OCP?

Answer: Yes. There is no requirement for issued Organizational Clothing and Individual Equipment (OCIE) such as Wet Weather gear, and Extended Cold Weather Clothing System (ECWCS) items to be of the same camouflage pattern as the uniform worn. Wear guidance for OCIE is established by the issuing command, and all items that have been issued are permitted for wear in accordance with locally established policies regardless of camouflage pattern."

Source: http://www.army.mil/article/156735/Frequently_Asked_Questions__Operational_Camouflage_Pattern_Uniform/
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1SG Emergency Management Specialist
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The OCP uniform was the standard uniform for Afghanistan from about 2010/2011 to present. Many Soldiers got out after they got back, sold them to surplus stores and probably gave them to buddies. I imagine he was given some from a Soldier who was deployed. The guidance put out by SMA doesn't state anything about having been deployed in order to wear it. It was an assumption that those who had it were previously deployed, but nothing stated they had to of been. Honestly I don't see it as a big deal. If he wears the uniform correctly and doesn't try to pretend he was deployed, who really cares. I wear mine everyday. I will buy the new one when I have too, but I have so many pairs of the OCP from previous deployments, I'll wear them until I can't. Long and short...is it authorized, YES, is it common, first I've heard of it, but it really isn't that big a deal.
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SFC Senior Geospatial Engineer
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Perhaps this is a question in which you should have asked the SGT right then and there. He/ she could have probably educated you on the spot. That is what NCO's are for; don't be afraid to ask in person.
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SPC Harvey Pooka Ski
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Btw some of nco are acting on here I wouldn't ask them shit I'd Jack something up then tell sgm you said I could God bunch of blue falcon nco to a off question... Them stripes make you young leaders not the right not to be questioned why you do something
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