Posted on Mar 17, 2016
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I've seen a new E-5 in my unit with the deployment OCP (the shoulders are Velcro pockets like the ACU not zippers, faintly faded, with a fuller only jacket zipper) without a deployment patch, or skill badges I.E CIB, AAS, Etc. he approached me for work and as we were talking he brought up how things worked at his last unit, and I asked him where he was deployed to and he said he wasn't (No right shoulder patch) but from what I understood those OCP's we're only given out to those who have been deployed to the Middle East the last year or so. Can anyone clarify on this? Thank you.
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SGT Iew Section Lead
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I'm of the mind that there is no stupid question except the one left unasked and unanswered. If a private sees a sergeant doing something that he believes to be incorrect or out of regulation, it may be difficult for that private to then fully respect that sergeant. So if, instead of degrading that private, someone instead clarifies that it is in fact authorized, that private will be provided the information to no longer continue in the belief that this sergeant is ate up. Respect to the rank is expected and required, but respect of the person and leader is earned. The two are vastly different. I will settle for respect of my rank, which I know will net me the minimal effort required to accomplish the mission to standard. What I work for is respect of my person and position as a leader, which I know will net me the effort required to exceed the standard. PFC Morter, as you move up in the ranks, there will be times that you see things that don't seem to add up. Don't be afraid to question, but do know the appropriate time, place, and delivery. For example, you could have asked your question more concisely, and avoided the angry retorts from NCOs who felt you were trying to sharpshooter one of their own, by simply asking, "Is it authorized to wear the multi-cam uniform issued to deploying soldiers, even if you have never deployed?" This would have netted you the answer you desired without some of the unprofessional responses that have unfortunately been subjected to here. Take this as a lesson forward, as well. Presentation is important, and so is audience. Both of those factors need to be taken into account in order to get the best results.
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MSgt Jay Cooper
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Bravo Sergeant.
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SSG Vincent Jauregui
SSG Vincent Jauregui
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HOOAH.....
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SGT Iew Section Lead
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Apologies for the typos, and some missing words! I was typing on my phone!
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1SG Civil Affairs Specialist
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Yes, they are authorized.
My guess is that the Soldier wanted to fit in and bought them at the surplus store.
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SGT Nodal Network Systems Operators/Maintainer
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Or he had come to Europe. You are required to draw ocp/ multicam from cif here even if you don't deploy. so he may have been in a rapid deploying base or a place that required him to draw ocp
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SGT Nodal Network Systems Operators/Maintainer
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MSG (Join to see) - that is so wrong, I'm not going out on a bashing spree here but that is the pure definition of a toxic leader. I'm sure you seen all the stuff about the female Csm. she thought the same thing you do. Turns out that didn't work for her. Lead from the front MSG not from the rear. If your fucked up and a soldier tells you drive on cause that's how you know your a good leader. as a junior NCO I expect my soldiers to correct me if I'm fucked up it shows them we are all human and I'm not their master, it also shows them my level of discipline which they are sure to follow. So my suggestion to you MSG is if you don't get this vibe from your soldiers they don't like you and they only work because they have to. Maybe it's not too soon to retire at this point
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SGT (Join to see) - MSG Cafaro is retired... he took his lumps above in the thread acknowledged the mistake and did a mea culpa.
It is common on RP to pop off without thinking sometimes. What is not very common is owning an error. I commend him for that.
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SPC Darren Coffenberry
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Best answer from a senior NCO i have seen in this thread, great job Top!!
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SGT David T.
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Why is it that when a lower enlisted ask a question many so called NCOs rip them up and down? Nothing he said was remotely out of line. Maybe referring to NCO by his pay grade wasn't the best way to phrase it, but that hardly merits some of the responses I have seen. Isn't a NCO's job to train and lead Soldiers? Many of you did just that by answering the question directly or pointing him to the location of the answer. Many of you did not. Many of you were rude, unprofessional, arrogant, and totally not acting like NCOs. If you have to demand subservience under the guise of respect on a social media site because a lower enlisted Soldier asked a simple question then you really need to take a long hard look in the mirror. There was a time when you were lower enlisted and didn't know something. I am disgusted about how many of you forgot where you came from. But what I do I know? I was only a junior NCO.
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I have seen some questions that merited a more blunt response, but this isn't one of them. He could have phrased it better, but it is a legitimate question.
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CW4 Scott Hyde
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What do you hope to gain from this inquiry?
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Sgt Christopher Lowry
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Knowledge no doubt, Chief.
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SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA
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The one thing you did not provide him with your answer.
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SGT Operations Ncoic
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PFC, I have been issued multicam gear before my second deployment, which shortly after that issue got canceled. I still have that great and a MILPER message that says I can wear it until the official wear out date in 2019. There is a good chance the sergeant you refer to is in the same boat. Either way, as long as that NCO is not in violation of AR 670-1, there's nothing to get worked up about.
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SSG Dan Willmont
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These OEF-CP has been around a lot longer that the last year, they started finding their way in to Afghanistan around '09-'10 and were pretty much standard In Afghanistan by 2011.
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If i remember correctly. Mid 2010 was when they authorized them due to ucp pattern not providing adequate camoflauge.
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SSG Dan Willmont
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SFC (Join to see) - Some units got them on a trial basis in '09. Not a lot though.
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1SG Jorge Guzman
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Yes, deployment multi-cam are authorized for wear until 30 Sep 2019, due to the transition to OCP uniforms. regardless if the wearer has deployed or not. Because they are authorized for wear.
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It is authorized to anyone who has them as a transition uniform. When my unit first started phasing the new OCP in, Clothing Sales didn't have them yet, but all the DS were getting issued theirs straight form CIIP. So I went off post to US Patriot Tactical and bought a set of the Multicam OCP and wore that for a couple months until I could get the new OCP uniform. It is authorized and okay. If anyone has an issue with this, you could respectfully point them to the MilPER message dictating this.
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I don't see the problem here. Please forgive my ignorance as I'm only a pfc who hasn't had the honor of deploying yet. However, I don't see the issue if it's authorized
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
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There is no problem, the young man was just asking if there was one.
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SGT Joseph Miller
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I see half and half here on the responses some think the PFC should not question their NCO on a public forum and he's being disrespectful and some thinking people answering are being disrespectful to the PFC for asking the question in the first place. First I would like to address the PFC, son you asked a valid question and you weren't disrespectful because you didn't know the answer and wanted to know and you didn't mention your unit or the SGTs name so you didn't shotgun him disrespectfully online , but a piece of advice if you think your SGT is doing something wrong next time ask your platoon sergeant as asking online is not the answer sometimes as you can see. Now to the others our jobs as NCO is too help the lower enlisted understand the life of a soldier in the military and we should never ever berate a soldier for asking a valid question, as NCOs we should encourage a soldier to learn so he can be a better soldier and as the old saying goes "the only stupid question is the one not asked". By berating this young man we have probably made him never want to ask a question again valid or not ever again if you really believed he shouldn't have questioned his SGT you should have said young soldier ask your Platoon Sgt or 1SG not scolded him for trying to learn, you have all failed this young PFC by not doing what we all swore in the NCO Creed to do by taking care of soldiers
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