Posted on Mar 17, 2016
Is it okay to wear the deployment OCP when you've never been deployed?
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I've seen a new E-5 in my unit with the deployment OCP (the shoulders are Velcro pockets like the ACU not zippers, faintly faded, with a fuller only jacket zipper) without a deployment patch, or skill badges I.E CIB, AAS, Etc. he approached me for work and as we were talking he brought up how things worked at his last unit, and I asked him where he was deployed to and he said he wasn't (No right shoulder patch) but from what I understood those OCP's we're only given out to those who have been deployed to the Middle East the last year or so. Can anyone clarify on this? Thank you.
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Why didn't you just ask your SGT. That's one thing your SGT should be able to do. Clarify regs and policies. I had no problem with my joes asking me. As aviation and multiple deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan Ive gone through BDU, DCU, UCP, OEF, OCP, and all the flight variations to go with each change. Not to mention dress uniforms. Also as aviation our badges are sewn on because pin on is FOD.
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what if he would of called him a buck. we used it a a term of endearment. e5 was a buck, e6 was a staff, e7 was first. sure wouldnt of used it with NCOs out of my unit. I liked to tell newly minted e5s that I outranked them before their promotion formation. someyimes a far back as that morning when Top sent us on some detail
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OK here is the thing everyone in this thread missed and failed to train you on SPC, when before you posted this did you consult AR 670-1? I'm almost positive that would have answered any question you may have had....
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From what i was told after my deployment, the deployment uniform was NOT authorized once you had cleared medical after deployment but that was 2011 and things change. The ACU which i know you asked about OCP had AR tags that were uncovered at all times so i would guess that was why.
I am now NG, i was active and i see it a lot in NG - i also know that uniforms are hard to come by in the NG - depending on if you have a awesome Supply SGT - so i turn a blind eye because i understand that in NG you have what you have and make do.
So i guess - my answer is no in garrison - i haven't seen the OCPs and i haven't read the REG which would prolly be the smarter way to approach that Soldier, but if a unit is allowing it - why not save good uniforms.
I would use my old deployment uniforms on the range or if i knew i was doing something that had the chance of ruining a good uniform and will continue to do so until the ACUs phase out.
I am now NG, i was active and i see it a lot in NG - i also know that uniforms are hard to come by in the NG - depending on if you have a awesome Supply SGT - so i turn a blind eye because i understand that in NG you have what you have and make do.
So i guess - my answer is no in garrison - i haven't seen the OCPs and i haven't read the REG which would prolly be the smarter way to approach that Soldier, but if a unit is allowing it - why not save good uniforms.
I would use my old deployment uniforms on the range or if i knew i was doing something that had the chance of ruining a good uniform and will continue to do so until the ACUs phase out.
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Slick right sleeve and no combat patches is not an indication of deployments. There are several AOs that get neither. And several guys that choose not to wear their ERB on their tops. Don’t judge a book by its cover.
Read the regs find you own answers at the source. 670-1 has that answer
Read the regs find you own answers at the source. 670-1 has that answer
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From all the leadership I had most would say “Judge them on their performance and potential.” The uniform meets the reg.
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If your NCO is giving you a lawful order just do what your told. You are an E4 Specialist, you shouldn't be wrryomg about if he deployed or not. We've all had to take orders and do things in garrison that we don't like it's called the Army just deal with it. Change your water and drink your socks.
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I deployed to Kuwait back in 2014. I volunteered for that deployment and I knew there was a chance of going to Iraq. I didn't go to Iraq even though there were a few people from my unit that did. With that being said I did receive a deployment patch. When I got back home my unit stated that I didn't deserve that patch because I wasn't in a "combat zone". Just because someone didn't do what you or someone else has done, does not mean they dont deserve the recognition of what they have done.
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It sounds like he has an older version of Multicam/OCP's, but the newer Scorpion version is available now that most people are wearing. It really doesn't matter which version of OCP they are wearing at this point because they are both authorized. Maybe he picked them up second hand.
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Since I'm retired but still keep up to date, while those who deployed were issued them first, but have been clothing sales & if the soldier chooses to buy them out of pocket & his command doesn't have an issue with wearing them, Then there isn't an issue...
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No he can not. Only the deployed can wear it. no matter if the unit has. He can wear anything that the unit as a whole can though. Like a Presidential Unit Ribbon. But , that is he dress uniform. If he changed units and that unit does not have that ribbon then He would have to take it off.
Semper Fi !
Retired Jerry D Blaylock
Semper Fi !
Retired Jerry D Blaylock
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CPL Blaylock,
He can wear the current OCP from deployment per AR 670-1 until the wear out date of 01 October 2019. What you are talking about is the dress uniform rather than the Occupational Camouflage Pattern. https://www.army.mil/e2/c/downloads/396739.pdf
He can wear the current OCP from deployment per AR 670-1 until the wear out date of 01 October 2019. What you are talking about is the dress uniform rather than the Occupational Camouflage Pattern. https://www.army.mil/e2/c/downloads/396739.pdf
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MSG Reid Stone
Cool picture! Looks like the old permanent press fatigues from the mid 70's. My secondary MOS was 31M!
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Why r u worried it sounds like to me you are one of those guys who are mad bc yourself never deployed. There is more to be worried about than this petty little issue. Why don't u worry about something that really matters like learning how to fight instead how this little issue. Get in the fight go to combat and tell me if this little issue is still on your mind
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I'm rather disappointed in how some of the senior ranking service members are responding to this young Soldier's question. He asked a question based of his understanding and even though his understanding was incorrect, a lot of you decided to bombard him with insults. I'm guess we are all fortunate that you all knew all the answers to everything when you were PFCs. He was merely asking for clarification and the professional thing to do was to give it to him.
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It is totally ok. During the transition all three uniforms are allow. Just because he hasn't deployed doesn't mean he can't wear them. More than likely bought them or got them from a fellow soldier. Take advise from your NCOs we as an Army have bigger problems than this. Hope this helps.
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