Posted on May 22, 2015
Is not being considered for an officer promotion the same as being passed over?
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I was selected for promotion by the FY13 CPT ACC board. However, roughly July 16 I went into the IRR. This was 3 days before the board results were validated, so I was removed from the promotion list before promotion. The Reserves probably passed me over once while I was in the IRR around (the FY14 was probably around December of 2013) not considering that I'd ever want to drill.
The next board was (this time ) 02DEC14 thru 12DEC14 (MILPER 14-213), and I had begun drilling near the start of the year. This board file, however, listed me as being on my second look. I asked about this, but the reply from HRC took too long to get me to the right person, so I wasn't able to get an answer on whether this was correct or not before the board met.
Now I'm half a year out, awaiting the board results. However, I've been reading regulations, and it looks like I fell short of the 1-year rule since I hadn't been drilling for a whole year when that board met. It seems there was a way I could have waived that, but I'm sure that's irrelevant 6 months after the fact. If I wasn't considered for this board, will I be a double non-select? This feels like a weird policy hole since I made an arguably more competitive active duty promotion board three boards ago and haven't done anything to mess up my standing, but I've been commissioned for over 5 year and 4 months now, so I've certainly noted that my year group is approaching 2 years since their CPT promotions.
As a follow-up, I believe this means I would be discharged within 90 days of the next promotion list coming out. Am I reading that correctly as well?
The next board was (this time ) 02DEC14 thru 12DEC14 (MILPER 14-213), and I had begun drilling near the start of the year. This board file, however, listed me as being on my second look. I asked about this, but the reply from HRC took too long to get me to the right person, so I wasn't able to get an answer on whether this was correct or not before the board met.
Now I'm half a year out, awaiting the board results. However, I've been reading regulations, and it looks like I fell short of the 1-year rule since I hadn't been drilling for a whole year when that board met. It seems there was a way I could have waived that, but I'm sure that's irrelevant 6 months after the fact. If I wasn't considered for this board, will I be a double non-select? This feels like a weird policy hole since I made an arguably more competitive active duty promotion board three boards ago and haven't done anything to mess up my standing, but I've been commissioned for over 5 year and 4 months now, so I've certainly noted that my year group is approaching 2 years since their CPT promotions.
As a follow-up, I believe this means I would be discharged within 90 days of the next promotion list coming out. Am I reading that correctly as well?
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There are some "blame the Soldier" type comments here and I want to chime in to say that the process is so inexact, no amount of crossing Ts or dotting Is will help you. If career progression in the military is your primary concern, do not switch components. If there are other things in your life that are more important, do what you have to do, but understand it most likely WILL affect your military career - which may include ending your military career.
I experienced problems going from Active Duty to the Guard. I was in the process of ETSing from Active Duty. I had spent the year prior earning my teaching certificate and applying for teaching jobs. I knew that I had boarded for CPT quite some time ago, but results had not been published. This was during the time when HRC was holding board results waiting for a ruling from Big Army about a change in TIG policy. I called HRC in late spring before setting my ETS date. They told me they really didn't know and the delay could be as much as a year...but *definitely* not before OCT. As a potential teacher, I could not push ETS beyond the start of the school year and still reasonably hope for a job. I ETS'd in AUG and 36 hours later, the board results were published with my name near the very top.
It ultimately took over a year and a half for the Guard to get their act together and get all of my paperwork through. It sucked to watch all of my friends get promoted and take commands as I sat there fighting through tons of red tape. Whatever. I lost a lot of pay unrelated to my performance as an officer and watched a person who had two relief for cause OERs (for incompetence, not misconduct...if that matters to you) get promoted with the rest of my YG. These are the kinds of frustrations that are forcing some of the brightest people out...but that topic has been beaten to death.
I experienced problems going from Active Duty to the Guard. I was in the process of ETSing from Active Duty. I had spent the year prior earning my teaching certificate and applying for teaching jobs. I knew that I had boarded for CPT quite some time ago, but results had not been published. This was during the time when HRC was holding board results waiting for a ruling from Big Army about a change in TIG policy. I called HRC in late spring before setting my ETS date. They told me they really didn't know and the delay could be as much as a year...but *definitely* not before OCT. As a potential teacher, I could not push ETS beyond the start of the school year and still reasonably hope for a job. I ETS'd in AUG and 36 hours later, the board results were published with my name near the very top.
It ultimately took over a year and a half for the Guard to get their act together and get all of my paperwork through. It sucked to watch all of my friends get promoted and take commands as I sat there fighting through tons of red tape. Whatever. I lost a lot of pay unrelated to my performance as an officer and watched a person who had two relief for cause OERs (for incompetence, not misconduct...if that matters to you) get promoted with the rest of my YG. These are the kinds of frustrations that are forcing some of the brightest people out...but that topic has been beaten to death.
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This doesn't help you much now, but it might help someone else in the future...situations like yours are why it's SO important to carefully examine all sides before you make that transition. I know it would have been hard to get the answer for every possible scenario that you might not have been able to imagine at the time; however, I'm sure they could have told you if/when you'd be looked at based on the timeline and how it would affect you going forward.
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Sir, I actually spoke with HRC about the promotion before transitioning from the IRR, but they were either mistaken or I asked the wrong specific questions. For anyone who reads this, I recommend reading the entire content of AR 600-8-29 and AR 135–155. This way you'll know how to ask questions framed with specific knowledge of the regulations pertinent. I'd recommend Title 10 code too, but there are 18,506 sections, so the AR is an easier stop as it's the regulation implementing the law, thus a more specific subset.
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Dan, I hate to say but with the cuts, it is the Perfect Storm for anything being is possible. Only solution is calling Branch no matter what you hear from us here on RP the final decision comes from Branch.
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In my conversation with officer promotions, it sounds like I would have been looked at, but they won't actually know themselves till the results are out. Happily, it sounds like that will be Wednesday.
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CPT Pedro Meza
Dan, please let us know what happens. You can now advise other officers on what to do.
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I'm not at 100% but I believe this would count as your second look if your packet went before the board. If you were a non-select you are entitled to a show cause board. You need to call your branch manager, or call officer promotions directly.
I saw another situation like this where an MAJ switched to reserves for several year. When he switched back to active duty, his calculations put him in a year group that had already had its primary zone look. He didn't get selected for the above the zone look and was flagged for separation. He was allowed to participate in a show-cause board and stay in.
I saw another situation like this where an MAJ switched to reserves for several year. When he switched back to active duty, his calculations put him in a year group that had already had its primary zone look. He didn't get selected for the above the zone look and was flagged for separation. He was allowed to participate in a show-cause board and stay in.
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This happens all the time with irr members nobody I've seen had ever been separated from the reserves some were lts for ten years. Call your branch manager for sure.
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That's a good point. I just called the promotions branch. They said I was likely looked at and that it would be a second look. Additionally, it was advised that I go back in time and stay in the IRR... but you know how time travel goes.
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I think you have 7 months after board results are out if you do not make your above the zone look. I could be wrong and it could be different than the reserves. I don't think not being considered for promotion and being passed over are the same thing. Not being considered means your file never was reviewed by a board.
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My conversation with the promotions branch seemed to indicate that it actually is the same thing. Honestly, I'm not too stressed because I am an independent IT contractor, so it's always a bit iffy with work since I don't have the protections an employee has for their job.
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You can only be selected or passed over in this instance for promotion if you were considered for promotion. Your assignment officer should be able to tell you within a few keystokes if you were in the zone for promotion. They should also be able to tell you were you rank among your peers because they reviewed every file that went before the board.
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Used to depend on the rank. Colonels were non-selected for flag rank which was not defined as a pass-over.
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I went IRR to do more military schools. My injuries from Southeast Asia (2 countries) ended my career (I went from the legal 30% VA disability, to 100%). I put in for the disability (Reserve) retirement, to be told IRR soldiers (I was called back to AD for 3 years), and given a good .30 second reason why IRR was not good for retirenent.
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