Posted on Jul 22, 2015
Is POTUS correct in using the term "Violent Extremism" instead of Islamic Extremism?
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Recently the White House hosted a summit on combating violent extremism. During the summit there was a noticeable effort made not to link Islam with the actions of violent groups such as Al Qaeda. He consistently made an effort during the summit to stress this point stating that, terrorists have perverted Islam and do not reflect it's tenants. This is a message that our previous POTUS also stated. https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/02/19/remarks-president-summit-countering-violent-extremism-february-19-2015
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The more he uses terms like Islamic extremism, the more the militants can use his words to make this a war against Islam overall (rather than a war specifically against militant radical Islamists). Basically, if he calls it Islamic extremism, he's playing right into the terrorists' hands and is helping fuel their recruiting efforts. I don't have a problem with his approach.
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CPT (Join to see) I think the use of "Violent Extremism" is the best term to use by the POTUS. I agree with other comments in support of this use versus the Islamic Extremism! This way any type of International terrorism can be grouped into a common strategy. I think it is a smart move on his part and the administration. Not everything thing this POTUS does is wrong or bad. His advisors should be working overtime to get the right messages out. I give him a "thumbs up" and you too CPT (Join to see)
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Even though most terrorism/extremism which we hear about in the media happen to have been caused by Muslims, POTUS did not want to link Muslim = Terrorist. Since there are extremists in all ends, they can all be categorized into Violent Extremism. Then there can sub-categorization into Islamic Extremism, Christian Extremism, etc.
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SGT Ben Keen
I think you hit the nail square on the head SrA Edward Vong! While most of the acts we are hearing about are down in the cover of the Muslim faith, that every person of that faith is a crazy idiot. I think the term "Violent Extremism" covers more than Islamic Extremism. It covers the extremism we have seen between race, gender, sexual orientation, and all the other categories that someone might choose to use at their platform for attack.
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CPT (Join to see) - Captain; I think that Mr. Obama was soft-peddling the issue.
I'd have gone straight to "Sociopathic Murderers Bent On Perverting and Destroying Civilization".
Unfortunately that's too long to get into a headline and doesn't come with a really nifty acronym so it will never sell and you simply can't print "Psychotic Murderous Assholes" (or say it on the air [although you could get away with "Psychotic Murderous Scum" {except that the "Extremely Radical Feminists" would get upset about the fact that the acronym "PMS" is sexist}]).
I do, however wonder if those who are the loudest about being all upset by President Obama referring to "Violent Extremists" are worried that there might end up being action taken against those "Violent Extremists" who AREN'T "non-American, non-White, non-JudeoChristians"?
I'd have gone straight to "Sociopathic Murderers Bent On Perverting and Destroying Civilization".
Unfortunately that's too long to get into a headline and doesn't come with a really nifty acronym so it will never sell and you simply can't print "Psychotic Murderous Assholes" (or say it on the air [although you could get away with "Psychotic Murderous Scum" {except that the "Extremely Radical Feminists" would get upset about the fact that the acronym "PMS" is sexist}]).
I do, however wonder if those who are the loudest about being all upset by President Obama referring to "Violent Extremists" are worried that there might end up being action taken against those "Violent Extremists" who AREN'T "non-American, non-White, non-JudeoChristians"?
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CPT (Join to see)
COL Ted Mc You have made several good points and you also made me laugh regarding your "PMS" comment. It seems that no matter what we might say, someone somewhere can possibly be offended.
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I agree. All of these extremists have been denounced as "UN-Islamic" by every leader in the region. Islam has no central leader (like the Pope or Church President) but every authoritative cleric has also denounced them. The grand mufti (senior cleric) in Riyadh has issued a fatwa (legal opinion) saying they are UN-Islamic and murder of innocents is a wrong that cannot be forgiven. The leaders cannot make it any clearer. However, in the USA, low information consumers cannot understand this and insist on blaming all Muslims. I'm currently spending time with some "Muslims" who also happened to be Oregon Ducks since they both attended undergrad there. They love Oregon and all their American friends and I'm worried because we have people out there who wouldn't bother to discover that, just hate them for their accents. This isn't much different than the xenophobia America displays during any event in our history - Jews, Irish, Italians all faced unreasonable hatred, so did the Chinese "yellow peril" and the Japanese, Germans and Italians during WW II, so did Latin Americans in the 80s (Cuban boat lift) and now Middle Easterners. Are there violent extremists? Yes, of course. Look at the numbers - they are pretty small now, but let hate radio and TV continue to vilify, let loudmouths continue to disparage (as is their right under the First Amendment) and those numbers can increase. Look at France- they have a huge Muslim population (from Algeria and other places) since the 50s (they are French citizens) and they've always treated them like crap and excluded them and maligned them (like we do to black folks) and now they have a significant problem with radicals. I'd take care in labels, these sick people are violent extremists and we need to treat them as such.
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I believe he is. Extremists can be found in just about any belief system, it's just that the Muslims ones are getting most of the attention these days.
For example, is a pro-lifer who bombs an abortion clinic any less an extremist? Or an environmentalist who sabotages construction sites?
For example, is a pro-lifer who bombs an abortion clinic any less an extremist? Or an environmentalist who sabotages construction sites?
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LTC Stephen F.
Capt Seid Waddell, for some reason your response was posted twice. While I agree with your response I am only giving you one up-vote :-)
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Capt Seid Waddell
LTC Stephen F., sir, that problem seems to have been corrected, as I only see the one response at this time. Thank you for the up vote in any case.
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While I'm quite new to Rally Point and have difficulty figuring out how to navigate the whole thing I was shocked to see this message I just received from RP. I attached the screen shot I took. I'm an old Soldier who started out as a Marine then an Airman. My Conmander in Chief when I enlisted was Gerald R. Ford. I've served under every CIC since. I have seen a lot and I can assure you right now is the worst times I've ever seen in the past 40 years. While I've received many Down votes, that is trivial compared to the harsh reality of out Dtate of the Union that I swore an Oath 40 years ago to protect.
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PO2 Mark Saffell
Only Serious people need apply. Are we really so full of ourselves we cant laugh.? It was fine for people to make fun of Bush but OMG you cant do a joke about Obama without the liberals all wanting you to die. Thats so sad
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Until he understands why the anger over not saying Islamic and stop uses the bullypulpit in fits of rage he is going to elicit strong emotions. Many feel he is not on our team and coming from the office of president, that is not a good thing.
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SGT Jeremiah B.
No. Here are your peaceful Muslims. This is not an uncommon occurrence and anyone who has spent time in the ME not looking to kill shit knows that the US media has a serious hard on for making everyone in that region look like raging psychopaths or apathetic bystanders.
It's all a lie.
It's all a lie.
Tunisians speak of moment they formed human shield against gunman
Some of the Tunisians who formed a human shield to protect tourists as a gunman mowed them down on a beach have spoken of the moment they risked their lives.
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Yes that is nice but consider those like those in the UK who do that and influence the weak-minded and that belies what you talk about in ME.
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SGT Jeremiah B.
SSgt (Join to see) - Isn't holding a whole group responsible for the actions of a few the objection with regards to Dylan Roof? Do we treat all Italians like criminals because of the mafia? Whites because of the KKK? Blacks because of gangs? Oh wait...
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No, but Italian Mafias, the KKK (Roof) and the Crips/MS-13/HAs and so forth are not really a coalesced representation of those other cultures. Black America is not inclined necessarily to the Black Panthers or Islam for there are many who are Christian and who are mostly benevolent.
What you saw in London in that video was more than a few but a whole band of arrogant and ruthless assholes with no attempt at being inclusive or tolerant. These kinds of people whomever they are, represent a volatile blend of narcissists.
What you saw in London in that video was more than a few but a whole band of arrogant and ruthless assholes with no attempt at being inclusive or tolerant. These kinds of people whomever they are, represent a volatile blend of narcissists.
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I just want to know why he refuses to call a Muslim terrorist just that, a Muslim terrorist.
I'm sure he would call people like Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols Right-Wing Extremists/Terrorists!
I just want to know why he refuses to call a Muslim terrorist just that, a Muslim terrorist.
I'm sure he would call people like Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols Right-Wing Extremists/Terrorists!
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That is for the discussion of "If you could ask the President just one question". I wonder if we could get him on RP for a Q&A session.
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