Posted on Nov 8, 2014
Is standing for equality consistent with opposing open immigration?
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In 1776, in a fraction of one sentence written into the Declaration of Independence was stated the real American Revolution, the new idea, and it was this: “that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights; that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.” That was it. This is the essence of Americanism. This is the rock upon which the whole “American miracle” was founded.
If this is what our country was founded on...so why are we resisting immigration and amnesty? These are people that want a better life...and come to America to get it. Have we forgot what it means to be an American...or has Americanism taken a new meaning: excluding anyone that is not American? What about, "give us your hungry, give us your poor"? We were all immigrants (except Natives) and our Southern border Mexicans are more native than we will ever be. (We, as in Caucasians) This topic will probably strike a nerve for many folks...but it is up for discussion, and I'm curious to see how you all feel about immigration, and amnesty?
If this is what our country was founded on...so why are we resisting immigration and amnesty? These are people that want a better life...and come to America to get it. Have we forgot what it means to be an American...or has Americanism taken a new meaning: excluding anyone that is not American? What about, "give us your hungry, give us your poor"? We were all immigrants (except Natives) and our Southern border Mexicans are more native than we will ever be. (We, as in Caucasians) This topic will probably strike a nerve for many folks...but it is up for discussion, and I'm curious to see how you all feel about immigration, and amnesty?
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I have no problem with immigration. I do have issues with people who break the law to do it. There are millions of people who are going through the legal process of immigrating to the U.S. These people toil away for years, getting a visa, qualifying for a green card, learning about the history of the U.S., what it means to be a citizen of this country, and eventually, after years of hard work, they will eventually get to become citizens.
Why should we reward those who break the law to come here, while allowing the millions who are doing it correctly languish? To me, that's an absolute slap in the face to those people.
Also, there are other reasons for controlling the flow of people into this country and making sure they are prepared for life once the get here (part of the immigration process.) How much of a strain on the state and federal infrastructure does unchecked illegal immigration cause?
I'm not saying we should no long except immigrants, I'm just saying that it is right, fair and prudent to do so in a controlled manner.
Why should we reward those who break the law to come here, while allowing the millions who are doing it correctly languish? To me, that's an absolute slap in the face to those people.
Also, there are other reasons for controlling the flow of people into this country and making sure they are prepared for life once the get here (part of the immigration process.) How much of a strain on the state and federal infrastructure does unchecked illegal immigration cause?
I'm not saying we should no long except immigrants, I'm just saying that it is right, fair and prudent to do so in a controlled manner.
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Open immigration....can someone define that for me in a way that makes sense? IMO there's never been true "open immigration". We've been picky from day one and for good reason(s). Health is one.
As for the issues related to amnesty - really? So...someone commits a crime and just cuz they've been in the country for 20 some odd years we're gonna say..."don't worry about breaking laws, failing to pay taxes, using someone else's SSN - it's all good. And here's a brand new ID that says you're a U.S. citizen. Go forth and be the new voting cattle for (insert political party here)." REALLY? What about all the people that are going thru the true process of entering this country legally? Where do we draw the line?
Don't get me wrong - this nation is founded on immigrants. I'm not going into the argument vis-a-vis the native Indians - that should be an entirely different discussion. The immigrants became America - but for the most part they've done the legal thing at entry.
Maybe we need to have different levels of citizenship? For those who chose to sneak in and hide - we should offer them limited citizenship benefits for a period of time.
I'm not sure what the answer is - but I know that just granting blanket amnesty is certainly not the way we should do it.
As for the issues related to amnesty - really? So...someone commits a crime and just cuz they've been in the country for 20 some odd years we're gonna say..."don't worry about breaking laws, failing to pay taxes, using someone else's SSN - it's all good. And here's a brand new ID that says you're a U.S. citizen. Go forth and be the new voting cattle for (insert political party here)." REALLY? What about all the people that are going thru the true process of entering this country legally? Where do we draw the line?
Don't get me wrong - this nation is founded on immigrants. I'm not going into the argument vis-a-vis the native Indians - that should be an entirely different discussion. The immigrants became America - but for the most part they've done the legal thing at entry.
Maybe we need to have different levels of citizenship? For those who chose to sneak in and hide - we should offer them limited citizenship benefits for a period of time.
I'm not sure what the answer is - but I know that just granting blanket amnesty is certainly not the way we should do it.
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No they are not consistent with one another. How can you stand for the equal rights of all but deny free movement of personnel into the country? Now, I can understand denying illegal immigration, if that is what you are referring to.
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PO1 Steven Kuhn
That is what I am referring to SFC (Join to see) , because I am a 100% disabled veteran, and they do not pay me much.....but we spent a lot of time and money to get my wife citizenship legally. It infuriated me when the first selection you were allowed to make was to get help staying in the country if you came here illegally from the USCIS!
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