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How can mobility ever be outdated? It’s a way to get a lot of guys on the ground in a hurry where they’re needed. As long as you need Grunts airborne units will of possible use. Guaranteed if you don’t have that capability you can’t manufacture it quickly, so better to hold that card in the deck.
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Even if it is rite of passage and not strategically sound, it was more fun than I could have had anywhere in this lifetime. And it stays with you. I am 69 years old and nothing scares me. Life will keep throwing stuff at you, but when your standing pulse rate is 60 BPM standing at an open door, you know who you are and what you can do.
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I would say just because we have not had to us it in past years does not mean we do not need it. The best weapon is one that you do not have to use all the time. I do belive that Airborne and Air Asualt and Air Moble Operations should be used to gether. As well Airborne and Air moble Operations should be combined. Trun the jump School at Ft.Benning into a one site combined traing. With this consept I belive we would have a more fexible option on the Battle field and a Force Multiplier.
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Yes, United States Marine Corps, Force Recon Company use free fall all the time.
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This is a question I would expect from a LEG. Airborne units remain a major tactical deterrent used in diplomacy. There are times when you don't want to start dropping smart bombs all over the place, so you can drop 20k paratroopers. There may not be an airfield or navy units in the area, airborne units can be on the ground within 24hrs. And from my experience, the mind set and discipline of paratroopers is over all much harder then non airborne units.
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COL George Antochy
When was the last time we inserted 20K or let alone 3K of paratroopers? WWII. DS was an example of where they might have been used, but weren't. Afghanistan is another, but weren't. Commander's today can not accept the risks associated as they could during WWII. To suggest that only Airborne units can have the necessary fighting espirit, is a slap in the face to all Soldiers. I don't believe the Soldiers from the 82d performed any better in recent operations than those from the 10th or any other combat organization.
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SSG(P) Ell Pizarek
In my 20 years of experience and exposure to various units, I stand by my evaluation. Until you have served in an airborne unit, you wouldn't know. I am sure that there are some units out there that still perform and are well disciplined, and there are some great NCO's out there trying to make a difference.
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Will we need Airborne Ops the size we had during WWII? Probably not. However Airborne Ops is still the fastest way to get lots of "boots on the ground" when that ground is a long way away. We won't always be able to land an aircraft with troops in a hostile environment, but we can sure as hell drop paratroopers almost anywhere. It is faster and more efficient than trying to land multiple aircraft and then having to get them back off the ground in a hurry. In today's UW arenas, Special Ops need the ability to insert via HALO/HAHO. Rangers still need the static line ability for some of their operations such as the quick strike on airfields at the beginning of the current Iraqi Freedom campaigns. The ability to move an entire division, such as the 82d to a hot spot like Ukraine or N. Korea on a moments notice is also key to US defense. Just because we haven't had a major airborne op in the last 14 years, doesn't mean they aren't needed in the future.
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Well Chief, in my opinion, (I used to be a EO2, so jumping out of aircraft isn't really my thing), the number of folks hurt in the jump itself, combined with the amount of ammo and food an individual can carry, lack of armor or heavy weapons, in my mind that is why no one has seen a "large scale" airborne operation since the second world war. Spec-ops are "special", so I'm not going to include them. Anyway, those are my thoughts on the matter.
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Good question, CPO Gregory Smith. Credible sources that airborne ops is outdated are likely to surface when the Army's Joint Readiness Training Center (JRTC) deletes it from their Mission Essential Task listings based on POTUS' National Security Strategy. As one of the U.S. Army’s three "Dirt" Combat Training Centers, JRTC is home-garrison to the Army's 1-509th Infantry Battalion, which heralds history's first U.S. combat jump in WW II as well as JRTC's only airborne-capable infantry designed essentially to OPFOR against rotational units preparing for airborne operations. That said, it's only just that they furl the flag on such airborne history, IMHO. Uncertain when the last real-world parachute deployment was made, but from what I could muster on the fly, 'Conduct Airborne Operations' (Air Force Task 4.2.1.3) has aimed high in USAF doctrine since 1998, and some history buff from the 509th can answer your question way better than I can. Thanks for the question, Chief. Defensor Fortis!
List of References:
Globalsecurity.org. (1998, Aug. 12). Air Force Task List). Air Force Doctrine Document 1-1. Retrieved from https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/usaf/afdd/1-1/afdd1-1.pdf
Silva, B. (2018, Apr. 19). STRIKE: 2nd BCT strikes down OPFOR at JRTC. Retrieved from http://fortcampbellcourier.com/news/article_96caa9aa-4421-11e8-9885-87feecb257f8.html
Whitehouse.gov. (2017). National Security Strategy of the United States of America. Retrieved from https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/NSS-Final-12-18-2017-0905.pdf
Wikipedia. (n.sd). 509th Infantry Regiment (United States). Retrieved September 30, 2018, from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/509th_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States)
List of References:
Globalsecurity.org. (1998, Aug. 12). Air Force Task List). Air Force Doctrine Document 1-1. Retrieved from https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/usaf/afdd/1-1/afdd1-1.pdf
Silva, B. (2018, Apr. 19). STRIKE: 2nd BCT strikes down OPFOR at JRTC. Retrieved from http://fortcampbellcourier.com/news/article_96caa9aa-4421-11e8-9885-87feecb257f8.html
Whitehouse.gov. (2017). National Security Strategy of the United States of America. Retrieved from https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/NSS-Final-12-18-2017-0905.pdf
Wikipedia. (n.sd). 509th Infantry Regiment (United States). Retrieved September 30, 2018, from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/509th_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States)
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Always one of those questions that is kind of dead before it can be answered. Does the Army need to give up on its capabilities to get forces to a battlefield would be the same question - just more blunt. Which nations have made combat jumps in the Long War so far and who has not really is not as important as knowing that we can do it anywhere on the globe when the time comes that the capability is needed. Can we ever get more than a single BDE to a place... now that is a great question to ask!
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