Posted on Apr 4, 2018
Cpl Tom Surdi
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ABSOLUTELY!!!!!! For the sake of argument I am going to say that everybody in the country voted in a Presidential election. The first list you see are the States that are needed to win an election with just 270 EC votes, with population and number of EC votes each state gets. As you see, it's only 11 states in all, with a total population of 175,547,114. If a candidate only wins each state by 1 vote, then to get all 270 EC votes, they would only need 87,773,568 total votes to get all EC votes.

The second list is the rest of a 39 States, and DC. Their total population is less than the first so they get less EC votes at only 268. So, even if the ENTIRE population of each of those 39 states voted for the other person, the candidate who won the first 11 states would win the overall election. Even if they only won each state by one vote. That would put the difference in popular vote by over 100 MILLION votes country wide. This is why a winner take all rule is flawed and why the EC needs to be reworked.

1 California 37,253,956 55
2 Texas 25,145,561 38
3 New York 19,378,102 29
4 Florida 18,801,310 29
5 Illinois 12,830,632 20
6 Pennsylvania 12,702,379 20
7 Ohio 11,536,504 18
8 Michigan 9,883,640 16
9 Georgia 9,687,653 16
10 North Carolina 9,535,483 15
11 New Jersey 8,791,894 14


175,547,114 270
87,773,568 to take all 270

12 Virginia 8,001,024 13
13 Washington 6,724,540 12
14 Massachusetts 6,547,629 11
15 Indiana 6,483,802 11
16 Arizona 6,392,017 11
17 Tennessee 6,346,105 11
18 Missouri 5,988,927 10
19 Maryland 5,773,552 10
20 Wisconsin 5,686,986 10
21 Minnesota 5,303,925 10
22 Colorado 5,029,196 9
23 Alabama 4,779,736 9
24 South Carolina 4,625,364 9
25 Louisiana 4,533,372 8
26 Kentucky 4,339,367 8
27 Oregon 3,831,074 7
28 Oklahoma 3,751,351 7
29 Connecticut 3,574,097 7
30 Iowa 3,046,355 6
31 Mississippi 2,967,297 6
32 Arkansas 2,915,918 6
33 Kansas 2,853,118 6
34 Utah 2,763,885 6
35 Nevada 2,700,551 6
36 New Mexico 2,059,179 5
37 West Virginia 1,852,994 5
38 Nebraska 1,826,341 5
39 Idaho 1,567,582 4
40 Hawaii 1,360,301 4
41 Maine 1,328,361 4
42 New Hampshire 1,316,470 4
43 Rhode Island 1,052,567 4
44 Montana 989,415 3
45 Delaware 897,934 3
46 South Dakota 814,180 3
47 Alaska 710,231 3
48 North Dakota 672,591 3
49 Vermont 625,741 3
50 Washington, D. C 601,723 3
51 Wyoming 563,626 3

133,198,424 268

220,971,970 a different in popular vote by 133,198,402

Here are the references I used for my numbers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)
http://www.ipl.org/div/stateknow/popchart.html
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Gaming the Electoral College
Don't like the results? Change the rules!

https://www.270towin.com/alternative-electoral-college-allocation-methods/?year=2016
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Thank you for sharing that. It's a very interesting and educational read. Just so we are clear, I am not interested in my party winning, I have no party, I am an independent. I voted for neither Clinton or Trump instead I chose to abstain this time around. My interest lies more in making sure every vote in every state counts and not just a handful of larger states with many EC votes. Yes, there are issues with every variation, I am not implying that mine is perfect. Each system, no matter which one will have some flaws. I just think that the current system has the most flaws, and the biggest window for exploiting them.
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This could be a constructive discussion is folks would open their minds to it. Instead I see a lot of folks thinking it is just "crying" about losing the last election. For me, it is not. I have supported modifying the EC fro a long time now.
I like the idea the EC delegates be awarded based on percentage of votes for each candidate in each state. Why not?
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Geesh. My car might break down when I go to supper so I will just never go to supper again. There problem fixed.

There is an old saying - don't fix what ain't broke. That came about because many times people found the fix was worse that the perceived problem.
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Cpl Tom Surdi - Preventive maintenance is one thing. Overhaul because people are crying because it didn't work for them this times is another. Especially if the crying consists of blaming the same factors that worked for the complainers before or the crying is because of imagined wrongs.
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It's not an overhaul of the system. I am not suggesting we take the EC out and put something new in it's place. I am simply saying that we change the way the EC votes are distributed instead of a winner take all mentality.
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Your suggestion is to fix what ain't broke.
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Capt (Join to see) - And yours is to ignore it completely.
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