Posted on Feb 16, 2015
Is there a requirement for at least one bullet to be in every block of page 2 of the NCOER for a change of rater?
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Question kind of says it all.
I have looked in the regulation and can not find anywhere where it is mandatory to put at least one bullet per block on page 2 of the NCOER.
If anyone can point me in the right direction, that would be most helpful and greatful.
I have looked in the regulation and can not find anywhere where it is mandatory to put at least one bullet per block on page 2 of the NCOER.
If anyone can point me in the right direction, that would be most helpful and greatful.
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AR635-205 Section 3-2, para. f.
Rating officials must prepare complete, accurate, and fully-considered evaluation reports. This responsibility is vital to the long-range success of the Army’s missions. With due regard to the NCO’s current grade, experience, and military schooling, evaluations should cover failures as well as achievements. However, evaluations will not normally be based on isolated minor incidents.
To me, I'd read "complete" to say "yes, you should complete all blocks". Even if it is NOT required, why would you not? Especially if you are looking to get your Soldier promoted. Surely over the course of 1 year you can find one positive or negative thing to say at a minimum of how a Soldier has demonstrated the NCO values. NOT putting anything in poses two questions to me when I read them. 1.) Did the NCO not give a shit? or 2.) Was this guy a dirtbag and the rater is not wanting to say it??? In which case...that would also reflect poorly on you as an NCO for failing to be an objective leader.
I can't think of a reason why I wouldn't be able to say SOMETHING on an NCOER for every bullet...even it is just a "Meets Standard" expectation. I've also never heard of an NCOER not having these bullets. Granted...I've only rated 20-30 NCOs and so I'm not an expert, but I think it would reflect poorly on the rater as well as the Soldier being rated....potentially submarining their career if they are due up for promotion soon.
v/r,
CPT Butler
Rating officials must prepare complete, accurate, and fully-considered evaluation reports. This responsibility is vital to the long-range success of the Army’s missions. With due regard to the NCO’s current grade, experience, and military schooling, evaluations should cover failures as well as achievements. However, evaluations will not normally be based on isolated minor incidents.
To me, I'd read "complete" to say "yes, you should complete all blocks". Even if it is NOT required, why would you not? Especially if you are looking to get your Soldier promoted. Surely over the course of 1 year you can find one positive or negative thing to say at a minimum of how a Soldier has demonstrated the NCO values. NOT putting anything in poses two questions to me when I read them. 1.) Did the NCO not give a shit? or 2.) Was this guy a dirtbag and the rater is not wanting to say it??? In which case...that would also reflect poorly on you as an NCO for failing to be an objective leader.
I can't think of a reason why I wouldn't be able to say SOMETHING on an NCOER for every bullet...even it is just a "Meets Standard" expectation. I've also never heard of an NCOER not having these bullets. Granted...I've only rated 20-30 NCOs and so I'm not an expert, but I think it would reflect poorly on the rater as well as the Soldier being rated....potentially submarining their career if they are due up for promotion soon.
v/r,
CPT Butler
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SSG Dan McIntosh
Sir,
Not going to go in detail about it, but lets say it this way, I'm wasting my time to even write this Change of Rater NCOER. That is the type of NCO I am dealing with. Its not that I dont know how or dont want to put bullets that support the type of person he is, I just feel with what he is and how he conducts himself, its a waste of my time to put any effort into it, considering he does not want to get promoted or stay in the
Army.
Not going to go in detail about it, but lets say it this way, I'm wasting my time to even write this Change of Rater NCOER. That is the type of NCO I am dealing with. Its not that I dont know how or dont want to put bullets that support the type of person he is, I just feel with what he is and how he conducts himself, its a waste of my time to put any effort into it, considering he does not want to get promoted or stay in the
Army.
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SSG Dan McIntosh - I would recommend covering your six though. Some of these guys can do 180s, then they come back and say "Well my SL/PSG just didn't like me" or whatever. Furthermore, better documentation could support in the event that his chain decides to do a bar to reinlistment or whatever other actions are in there.
Either way, I'd just say to put something so that there's no way that this comes back on you at all. Maybe that's the medical side of me, but I don't trust people in general, especially the types that play games.
v/r,
CPT Butler
Either way, I'd just say to put something so that there's no way that this comes back on you at all. Maybe that's the medical side of me, but I don't trust people in general, especially the types that play games.
v/r,
CPT Butler
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As others have mentioned make sure that you CYA with paperwork. Because this is a COR, refer to counseling statements from previous rater, as well as the new one I'm sure you did when taking over as rater. As you know, if you have counseled him on your expectations and recognize that those are not being met, then you can validate any poor bullets on the NCOER.
All NCOs are held to a standard that is reiterated by the common core values as well as the NCO Creed. Those can always be referred to when an NCO does not meet expectations.
All NCOs are held to a standard that is reiterated by the common core values as well as the NCO Creed. Those can always be referred to when an NCO does not meet expectations.
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