Posted on Jun 8, 2016
SGT Laura Delgadillo
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I'm not complaining about doing it, but im trying to see this from the BDE CSM's pov. Why does he think that all soldiers that are going to ANY school must take a weekly PT test. I could see if if the soldiers were borderline, but regardless of your score we still need to take a new test every week followed by height/weight right after.
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CW2 Stephen Pate
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Is this the case that you had to take a company level APFT, then a BN level APFT, then a BDE level APFT? I've seen that happen a lot. 1SG isn't gonna let you take BNs test unless you pass at the company and then it goes the same way all the way up the chain of command.
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SGT Laura Delgadillo
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no, haven't even taken a company or bn level pt test yet. straight to bde weekly pt tests from 90 days out from school till you leave to school.
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CW2 Stephen Pate
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Yeah it must be a CSM doing his/her part to ensure success at the school then. That's unfortunate. What you you in there?
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SFC J Fullerton
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Sounds like overkill. However, perhaps the intent is to "train" the Soldiers on taking a NCOES APFT. Once a week would count as a "muscle failure" PT session designed to build strength and endurance for the 3 events. Proper form and execution are just as important. If that is the intent, its not really a "test" but more like practice through repetition.
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SGT Laura Delgadillo I think the point every body is leaving out in this discussion, further than the backlash to the Unit, etc. is that there is a cost to the Unit to send you to school. There is a budget to send Soldiers to these development courses and if the Soldier fails, the Unit lose the money invested on him/her. So, further than just making sure that you'll pass that APFT whenever you get to school, they are making sure they don't waste money on you. As for School costs to the Unit, I really don't know but I heard BLC is about $5k/Soldier. SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" and MSG (Join to see) correct me if I am wrong.
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1SG Visual Information Operations Chief
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NCOES schools are paid by HRC. I might be wrong though....
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SGT(P) Unit Supply Specialist
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1SG (Join to see) I'm pretty sure is paid by S3, but again, I might be wrong too...
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1SG Visual Information Operations Chief
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Training like Airborne, air assault and Master fitness are paid by the Unit, but funding for NCOES, Drill Sergeant, AIT PSG falls under an HRC line account. I have a PDF that specifies which courses are funded by HRC if anything I can share it as an extra tool in the tool bag.
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CSM Felipe Mendez
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Yes, to make sure such individuals are still maintaining their physical fitness, in other words I want to make sure that when they show up they will pass the entry pt test. In many occasions I have seen individuals send back to the unit for pt failure. This is not only good for the unit, but the soldier as well. Dropped from a military school for a pt failure, will have serious consequences on the individual's life, like removal from promotion list, leadership position and from any additional school listening
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SGT Frank Pritchett
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I don't think it is a PT test but a diagnostic test and you chain of command can do that at any time, for me I don't condone it but it is legal.
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SGT Laura Delgadillo
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It's a record test.
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SGT Writer
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That means more work for S-1.
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Capt Tom Brown
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SGT Laura Delgadillo If the CSM has not given you or the class any explanation maybe the instructors have some insights as to his rationale. Hopefully he is not merely acting like a jerk because he can get away with it. Let us know if you find out anything..
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1stSgt Sergeant Major/First Sergeant
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Not something I have done in the past. Seems a bit over the top. Have you tried asking you Platoon Sergeant? He may be able shed some light on it.
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CPT Mark Gonzalez
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I believe his logic may be, train like your fight or in this case train like you test. The training is a good habit and can only result in a better score, unless injured. Overall the diagnostic APFT's are a light workout and can only help.
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The only thing I can think of is that in his previous and current posting(s), there have been SMs under him that have arrived to their schools only to turn around and come back after failing an APFT. The Soldiers AND their COC/COS can get some serious heat for school house APFT failures. But then, that is the only logical thing I can think of. Personally, I think weekly APFTs are a tad excessive. My directive would be perhaps every two weeks prior to the school to ensure standards are good.....depending on how far out from the school date you are. Talk with your NCOs about this if you haven't done so. Perhaps there was a directive pushed from the BDE CSM explaining why. As for HT/WT....same logic (mine anyway) applies.
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CW3(P) Derrick Robinson
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the only thing i can think of is if the soldier could use some work on their overall score or may be teetering on the line of the height/weight requirements
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