Posted on Apr 17, 2015
Is this a 2nd or 4th Amendment issue?
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Typical Liberal anti #2A BS. They would take all veterans 2A rights away if they could. In their pathetic little minds we are a threat to them.
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SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
SSG John Erny
I am a liberal, progress and am a wounded and decorated war veteran with a combat badge and stars. I also have a Concealed Carry ticket and go to the range twice a month.
I also feel very strongly about mentally disturbed individual having access to weapons and untrained yahoos walking around with ARs on chest clips.
I am a liberal, progress and am a wounded and decorated war veteran with a combat badge and stars. I also have a Concealed Carry ticket and go to the range twice a month.
I also feel very strongly about mentally disturbed individual having access to weapons and untrained yahoos walking around with ARs on chest clips.
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SSG John Erny
SPC Jan Allbright,
I agree with you on not wanting the mentally ill armed, but the problem here is due process before the law. These things should be heard in a court of law, it is our right as Americans. For example you have a doctor who hates the 2A and would bend over backwards to put everyone he could not the ban list. It is the Judge who should have the final say.
When I use the term liberal I am not talking about rank and file democrats, I am talking about the Likes of Nancy Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein, etc. People Like that are gun abolitionists. The Lunatic fringe if you will.
No disrespect to you intended SPC Jan Allbright
I agree with you on not wanting the mentally ill armed, but the problem here is due process before the law. These things should be heard in a court of law, it is our right as Americans. For example you have a doctor who hates the 2A and would bend over backwards to put everyone he could not the ban list. It is the Judge who should have the final say.
When I use the term liberal I am not talking about rank and file democrats, I am talking about the Likes of Nancy Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein, etc. People Like that are gun abolitionists. The Lunatic fringe if you will.
No disrespect to you intended SPC Jan Allbright
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Individual Rights do not exist in a vacuum. Just because something is one Right doesn't mean it is also another Right as well.
In this case, it is BOTH.
The Right to self defense is inherent. You have the Right to defend yourself period. No amount of Due Process takes that away.
What this is about, is whether there is appropriate mechanisms in place (Due Process) to ensure Rights are not being violated. In this case, is you Medical Privacy being violated? Is your Second Amendment Rights being violated? Does it matter which Right is being violated? Shouldn't there be a JUDGE involved, not an "administrative" process? That's the linchpin of Due Process.
In this case, it is BOTH.
The Right to self defense is inherent. You have the Right to defend yourself period. No amount of Due Process takes that away.
What this is about, is whether there is appropriate mechanisms in place (Due Process) to ensure Rights are not being violated. In this case, is you Medical Privacy being violated? Is your Second Amendment Rights being violated? Does it matter which Right is being violated? Shouldn't there be a JUDGE involved, not an "administrative" process? That's the linchpin of Due Process.
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SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
Good points! The "Due Process" is a slippery slope. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court allows for wiretapping citizens phones is a completely secret organization with no oversight, yet it is "Due Process".
Good points! The "Due Process" is a slippery slope. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court allows for wiretapping citizens phones is a completely secret organization with no oversight, yet it is "Due Process".
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SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
SSG Buddy Kemper
hummmmm ... I am remembered of a story I learned from law school ... Most law schools are 3 years in length and the students are called 1L, 2L and 3L.
When you ask a 1L a legal question, the answer is usually "I don't know".
When you ask a 2L the same question, the response is a complete citing of all applicable law with binding precedents and major opposing opinions.
When you as a 3L the same question, the response is "It depends"
hummmmm ... I am remembered of a story I learned from law school ... Most law schools are 3 years in length and the students are called 1L, 2L and 3L.
When you ask a 1L a legal question, the answer is usually "I don't know".
When you ask a 2L the same question, the response is a complete citing of all applicable law with binding precedents and major opposing opinions.
When you as a 3L the same question, the response is "It depends"
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SSG Buddy Kemper
SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. I remember that old line that there are more students in law school now then there are lawyers on the planet. Did a little research and found that 2012 stats are the median income is $113,530 per year for attorneys. The best one in our town, the one that most cops and DAs don't want to tangle with makes between 200k and 300k...but has had years he made half a million or more. And he is a very very sharp dude. Was an all American quarterback at our hometown college back in mid-70s. Would be interested to know what the percentage of attorneys are in congress, bro. I'll close with this: What's the difference between a good lawyer and a great lawyer? A good lawyer knows the law. A great lawyer knows the judge.
Blessings to you Jan. Cheers. Have a great weekend.
Blessings to you Jan. Cheers. Have a great weekend.
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