Posted on Jan 25, 2015
Is this a case of Stolen Valor or Mental Illness
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While reading through the pages of a site exposing phonies, I began reading about this particular individual. After reading it (once you read it, it's early to figure out his det cord isn't getting a charge.
So, all joking aside, with some of these cases brought up...could there be more of a mental illness issue vs a Stolen Valor charge?
So, all joking aside, with some of these cases brought up...could there be more of a mental illness issue vs a Stolen Valor charge?
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Posted 11 y ago
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
I would agree with that and its apparent He would never pass as even being in the service and this may in some way be filling in a pretty empty life. I don't think there is much doubt He has something wrong with His proper mental functions.
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Certain types of mental disorders are very serious, and reality for them is whatever their delusional minds are cycling at any given time. It is often a horrifying and humiliating experience for the victims. Taking offense from a mentally ill person is no different from taking offense from a 4 year old who dresses up as a soldier for Halloween. If this poor young man did in fact end up committing suicide, then it is probably safe to say that he suffered greatly enough from his illness, and he should be allowed to rest in peace.
If we are going to call out acts of stolen valor, then let's focus on the those who honestly deserve retribution.
If we are going to call out acts of stolen valor, then let's focus on the those who honestly deserve retribution.
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Both. The story is whack! He arrived to my old BN CSM's BCT at Benning. It was hilarious. He was reportedly married to the mother of a recruit there. The story gets much worse. But, the DS's sure got a hold of him and the MP's too.
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Those that are guilty should be given an psych evaluation. If found of sound and mind, tried to the fullest extent of the law.
If found not of sound and mind, then they should serve time in a facility in order to give them a better understanding of their actions
If found not of sound and mind, then they should serve time in a facility in order to give them a better understanding of their actions
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I've seen that picture before, A vet showed it to me while I was operating an elevator, Hmmmm looks a little to young to have that stack or ribbons but who knows maybe he earned them in the Girl Scouts brigade
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Thinking about the late Mr Androsky's motivations and methods, it is hard to find signs of informed, rational behavior.
What sane person would subject a sartorial mishegoss like that pictured above to scrutiny by knowledgeable military persons at a ceremony on a military facility? MUCH better to target untutored masses of civilians.
What sane person would subject a sartorial mishegoss like that pictured above to scrutiny by knowledgeable military persons at a ceremony on a military facility? MUCH better to target untutored masses of civilians.
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IMO, if you want to wear it, EARN it!
They know what those inexpensive pieces of ribbon indicate. Most know what one has to accomplish to earn them. Better yet, they have the proper understanding and knowledge to know what the ribbons/ service medals truly mean with or without some so called "illness". Therefore! If they can comprehend all of that then they can comprehend the fact that they are stealing valor that many die to achieve. Putting an "illness" or "mental disorder" on these guys is simply an excuse for them to get away with it.
They know what those inexpensive pieces of ribbon indicate. Most know what one has to accomplish to earn them. Better yet, they have the proper understanding and knowledge to know what the ribbons/ service medals truly mean with or without some so called "illness". Therefore! If they can comprehend all of that then they can comprehend the fact that they are stealing valor that many die to achieve. Putting an "illness" or "mental disorder" on these guys is simply an excuse for them to get away with it.
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A few thoughts:
- Individuals who falsely pose as military or former military should be treated (ideally this means prosecuted) on a case by case basis. Not all fakers are mentally ill and not all mentally ill are fakers.
- Stolen Valor laws are currently limited because they supposedly intruded on a person's first amendment rights and because fakers are not obtaining anything of value. The former is debatable while the latter is proveable false.
- Unless/until we get better laws against fakers then our best tools are confrontation (legally and non violently), public shaming, and public education.
- Individuals who falsely pose as military or former military should be treated (ideally this means prosecuted) on a case by case basis. Not all fakers are mentally ill and not all mentally ill are fakers.
- Stolen Valor laws are currently limited because they supposedly intruded on a person's first amendment rights and because fakers are not obtaining anything of value. The former is debatable while the latter is proveable false.
- Unless/until we get better laws against fakers then our best tools are confrontation (legally and non violently), public shaming, and public education.
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COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM
SPC (P) Lisa Carlisle,
- I have to disagree that a lot of stolen valor people have to be mentally ill on some level.
1. Attributing stolen valor to mental illness just provides an automatic "get out of jail free card" for anyone who steals valor.
2. In this respect, stolen valor can be anologous to Radical Islam. Radical Islamists are not mentally ill, they are committed. There is a difference.
3. People who steal valor are trying to get on the cheap what they either could not earn on their own or were not willing to sacrifice to obtain on their own. That is not mental illness, that is cowardice and laziness.
- I have to disagree that a lot of stolen valor people have to be mentally ill on some level.
1. Attributing stolen valor to mental illness just provides an automatic "get out of jail free card" for anyone who steals valor.
2. In this respect, stolen valor can be anologous to Radical Islam. Radical Islamists are not mentally ill, they are committed. There is a difference.
3. People who steal valor are trying to get on the cheap what they either could not earn on their own or were not willing to sacrifice to obtain on their own. That is not mental illness, that is cowardice and laziness.
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