Posted on Aug 9, 2015
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I read this, but I have a hard time understanding why. Is it laziness, irresponsibility, bad record keeping, or all three? It mentions, even some convicts, are listed as ready to fight. It's things like this that gives our enemies a better edge and makes us look like idiots when we can't keep up with who can fight and who can't. Do you think our enemies don't keep up with their military strength, and ours?

KAISERSLAUTERN, Germany — The Army Reserve and Army National Guard can’t properly determine how many of their soldiers are fit to fight, sometimes listing jailed soldiers as available to conduct missions, the Government Accountability Office says in a recent report.

http://www.stripes.com/news/army/gao-army-reserve-guard-don-t-know-how-many-soldiers-are-fit-to-fight-1.361929


KAISERSLAUTERN, Germany — The Army Reserve and Army National Guard can’t properly determine how many of their soldiers are fit to fight, sometimes listing jailed soldiers as available to conduct missions, the Government Accountability Office says in a recent report.
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LTC John Shaw
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It is not laziness or irresponsibility, it is bad systems planning and processes not designed to integrate because they were not designed for an operational Guard/Reserve program and need serious upgrades.
I can tell you that the Guard and Reserve has challenges when it comes to accurate reporting of all soldier statuses. This is not like active duty where you have daily accountability for soldiers. You meet once a month and 12-29 days per year for Annual Training. During your AT is when you have the most positive accountability and provide the most accurate reporting at the unit level.
There is very limited full-time staffing in a reserve or guard unit. For a company level unit you will have one full-time staff, at a BN maybe 2 or 3. All the reservist will do their best with 2 paid days out of the month and most senior NCO and Officers put in 'God and Country time' where you just work a couple nights a week and additional weekends for no pay because you are a professional and want to do a good job in the role you hold in the Reserve/Guard.
If a soldier has a serious accident, is incarcerated, commits suicide, gets divorced, etc. the Reserve Commander will not know until the event has been reported, which may or may not be the next monthly Battle Assembly. Let's assume all events are reported in the same month. When you roll up from company to BN, BDE, then geographic commands, add a funding overlay for what are the legitimate/funded structures, add all medical categories, dental, training, MOS Qual, Pay records, etc. These systems all have differences in the batch cycles and reporting periods.
Remember medical and dental for reservist are not covered, only the assessment of the soldier, so unless the soldier has medical insurance or joins the reserve system out of pocket then some medical conditions don't get fixed until mobilization.
You also have soldiers mobilized and sent with a unit overseas, but they must also have the data for this same reservist in the unit they originated from. The active, guard and reserve systems don't interface transfer data among the systems.
As a reservist that has been responsible for this reporting and provided briefing to GO level on readiness, we spend many weeks pushing to get data input into the outdated systems from our down trace units. Much of the reporting depends on critical system interfaces and I have had to explain the differences between my numbers and the reported numbers and why.
I could do it to the number most of the time, but it took weeks worth of time and effort to ensure accurate and meaningful soldier readiness stats.
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I guess I don't need to write anymore. It's a Charlie Foxtrot way to run an Army, is all I can write.
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LTC John Shaw
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SGT (Join to see) - Agreed, the system needs more Full-time staff to be successful or we continue to do what we have been doing. Ramp up the number of full-time staff as the unit is coming up on mobilization period and break other units to get the unit going into the box fit for mobilization.
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SPC Douglas Hemmingway
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As far as the Physical Fitness readiness goes doing PT is left up to the individual soldier outside of AT and the monthly drills. Most of the time the only PT done on military time is the APFT or whatever the Air Guard calls their semiannual test. I had to take the initiative to get my PT in during my civilian time. Most of the time I couldn't afford a gym membership so I did the best I could running trails in parks or around the blocks of the neighborhoods I lived in. It was easy when I had public high school or middle school with an outdoor track I could run on. One neighborhood I lived in the major streets were a half-mile apart so one lap around was two miles and the same for the last university I attended. I ran, jogged and walked as many laps as I could three to four times a week. As far as push ups and sit ups I did as many as I could each time before I did my walk-run.
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SGT (Join to see), I do not believe that the issue is as bad as it sounds from reading the article. All this means is that what units officially report is not what may be happening on the ground. I'm sure there are times that units DON'T know what is going on, but I'm sure that is the minority.
If you ask any platoon or first sergeant I know, he'll know exactly how many guys he has, and what's going on with them. However, soldiers do get injured outside drill, and for whatever reason choose not to report it. And let's say a soldier breaks his leg in April. He knows that he'll be healed up by September when the unit has its next PT test. He tells the unit, and gets exempted from unit PT and rucking till he heals without ever getting a profile. Saves on paperwork, and causes the GOA a headache.
Another scenario could be a high speed soldier wants to deploy with another unit. He goes, but stays slotted with his home unit, to keep that slot from getting backfilled, because company leadership wants him back. It's not like nobody knows where he is, or why he's not at drill, but I'm sure it would draw a flag from the GOA.
Another reason, but less noble, is that commanders need to keep their numbers up. If a soldier is AWOL, it's not like nobody knows that he's missing, or that they don't kick him out. However to show better readiness, I can see a commander keeping an AWOL troop on the books until his chapter is final.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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Cheeze, is that the way we operate? Sounds like giving a student a passing grade to meet a quota or something.
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SSgt (Join to see), Thanks for the explanation. After Nam, I was a team leader with the 82nd Airborne. Everyone of our men were accounted for 100% of the time. If one of them came up missing, we damned well better find out what was going on. Myself and another SGT was sent to Chicago to retrieve a missing soldier. We brought him back and turned him over to the MP's. As far as I know there were no cover ups with my CO. He was very strict on military discipline, and following his orders, and that's what we did. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. That's why I can't wrap my head around this. I would be so confused as to who were available and who wasn't, and what this or that was going on.
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SGT (Join to see) Unfortunately we don't have authority to go pick up our AWOLs.

I usually contact my soldiers a few days before drill to make sure they got the company news letter and know the time for first formation. The morning of drill, we expect soldiers to be there 10 minutes before 1st formation. If a soldier has some issue, car breakdown, overslept his alarm, or whatever his excuse, we expect that soldier to contact his first line leader IMMEDIATELY. If I don't have eyes on my soldiers 10 minutes before drill, I will attempt to contact them.
If a soldier is simply a no show, we will attempt to contact them. If the soldier can't be contacted via phone, someone WILL go to his house to check on him. If said soldier still can't be found, civilian authorities will be notified. That's as far as we can take it. Soldiers can be held accountable under UCMJ, if they decide to show up to drill next month, but if they decide they are done, there is very little that can be done about it, other than wait for them to get kicked out. I just want to emphasize that we DO know where our soldiers are even if the State or Feds don't!
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That makes a lot more sense. Thanks SSgt (Join to see) .
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Where you have a difference between Active and Reserve/Guard Components is Active Units are seeing each other everyday. They interact closely and when you break your arm, your command knows.

Often, in Reserve/Guard Units, the soldier isn't thinking about their Reserve/Guard Unit when they break their arm. They are worried about their full-time employment and their Unit gets put on the back burner.

In regards to Reserve/Guard Units, could the AGR do more to reach out to their Soldiers? Absolutely. But, at some point also, the individual soldier should assume some responsibility.
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I realize that, SSG (Join to see). I'm just disappointed in the units for not trying harder to do their job.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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SSG (Join to see) - SPC. I don't understand "can't know a members readiness" Even on active duty, you are assumed to be ready unless notified otherwise. I agree with Keith. I.E. When I worked at Sears I had a employee come straight from the bar to work. 0500. I told him to get a bucket and mop and get to work. By 0900 he was doing great. I told the big boss (Navy Captain) about it and he asked why I did not send him home. I told him I could not do a damn thing if he was not here. If I have a body, you bet i can put a round peg in a round hole. Even at my age there is plenty i can do--if they would let me. (82).
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And yet, MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht, you still miss the comparison between Active Duty and the Guard/Reserve.

And just because you can still give someone a task to do, doesn't mean their individual readiness is where it needs to be. A Unit's Readiness goes to shit if you can't put a K-Pot on their head, a rifle in their hands and send them forward to fight.
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SPC Douglas Hemmingway
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Indeed injuries off of Drill Time occur or illnesses and the soldier usually only informs their civilian employer, not the Guard unit.
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