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Officers have always been in the way and thinking they can lead. They are lazy and sit on their asses running their mouths and getting promoted on the back of NCOs. I met few officers while active duty who was worth their weight in gold, most were sniveling little spoiled brats who mommy and daddy got them to college. Most only joined to pay back student loans, and you could tell that all they were waiting for was their 6 year contract to end. If the army is screwed up in any way it is the way they bring in the junior officer off the street to be in charge of the NCO with 10 plus years active. Today’s officers should be taken from the enlisted ranks after about 4 plus years so they can see what real work is.
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Yes, The NCO core has died. Back when i when i was in officers know where there place was, and it wasn't in a NCO's business. They let you know what needed to happen and we made it happen. Now days they have to ask there officer approve what they do. I have seen this first hand working as a contractor over seas.
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Let me reflect back to 1978 and 1979. During that time, officers were in process of taking away the responsibilities of the NCO by circumventing the chain of command to the lower enlisted.
Privates and others were telling the NCOs that they did not have to listen to us. These officers were telling our subordinates to do something without informing the NCOs and we were catching flak because the work was not getting done.
If you understand the Greek meaning of Sergeant, it means servant. We are servants of the officers in order to get the mission accomplished. We are not their butler, or hand-maids, but Non-commissioned officers. Our duties are much more than just taking order from the officers. We train, we wipe their noses and do alot of baby sitting to ensure our enlisted personnel are ready for combat. This means ensuring section equipment is in a state of repair, our troops are healthy, they are fed, their clothes and rifle are clean and serviceable.
While the officers, by way of Congress has been bestowed the title of officer, starting at 2LT, we NCOs fall under the same Congressional cap. We are required to command troops when there are no officers present, or available.
I particularly know what the officers go through. I also know what I went through. Both sides were tough. I am glad the NCO is back in their responsibilities. When things need to get done; we make it happen!
Privates and others were telling the NCOs that they did not have to listen to us. These officers were telling our subordinates to do something without informing the NCOs and we were catching flak because the work was not getting done.
If you understand the Greek meaning of Sergeant, it means servant. We are servants of the officers in order to get the mission accomplished. We are not their butler, or hand-maids, but Non-commissioned officers. Our duties are much more than just taking order from the officers. We train, we wipe their noses and do alot of baby sitting to ensure our enlisted personnel are ready for combat. This means ensuring section equipment is in a state of repair, our troops are healthy, they are fed, their clothes and rifle are clean and serviceable.
While the officers, by way of Congress has been bestowed the title of officer, starting at 2LT, we NCOs fall under the same Congressional cap. We are required to command troops when there are no officers present, or available.
I particularly know what the officers go through. I also know what I went through. Both sides were tough. I am glad the NCO is back in their responsibilities. When things need to get done; we make it happen!
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As a new 1SG, I can say that my NCOs and I have a ton of power. I believe that it is a culture within a unit and some units are different. My NCOs have the power to train their soldiers on the skills required within the guidelines of our metl tasks. I involve my ncos in the process to develop our yearly training plans side by side with my officers. That being said, the final say still belongs to my commander, always has, always will.
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I understand that i'am just a PFC; however, i think the issue is trust between officers and NCOs. It always has been and forever will be officers direct we (enlisted) enable and strive TOGETHER towards one common goal regardless of the mission. I have observed between officer and enlisted there can be distaste. Also, just to caveat poor leadership reflects the overall morale of the soldiers regardless of rank.
If this has happened it is the NCO Corps fault. How did this happen? The last 13 14 years we have been at War the Army promoted NCO's and Officers very quickly. The Army needs to get back to the Leadership Training as we go up the Ranks. That goes for Officers as well as the NCO. Also MOS Training.
Our job as an NCO is to advise the Leadership be it a Lt., Cpt., or Col. as long as your management doesn't cause the loss of life, limb, or damage to soldiers and government property! We the NCO must Train the Troops under us.
Our job as an NCO is to advise the Leadership be it a Lt., Cpt., or Col. as long as your management doesn't cause the loss of life, limb, or damage to soldiers and government property! We the NCO must Train the Troops under us.
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NCO's have never had power. They had responsibility. If officer's usurp the responsibility from the NCO the officer fails in at least two regards. The officer is assuming authority and team cohesion that is not conducive to building mission effectiveness. Secondly, the officer is not properly utilizing subordinates to assure goal accomplishment. If the NCO allows this to happen, he/she is not effectively utilizing the training and responsibility vested in them as individuals and leaders.
Officers who find themselves or colleagues in this position need to evaluate their relationship with subordinates and step back into their proper roles. NCOs in this position need to step up, educate their officers, and assume the responsibility that is their charge. Oh, if you are an NCO in this situation and need resolution assistance, seek out a gray haired CWO or Sargent Major. They have been there and can help.
The entire leadership team must plan and work together. They must utilize the training and expertise of each and every team member. Officers must get to know their NCOs and NCOs must get to know their officers. Learn how they think. Know the plan. This 'marriage' is more critical the your marriage to your spouse if you want to have the best chance of mission accomplishment and returning home.
Officers who find themselves or colleagues in this position need to evaluate their relationship with subordinates and step back into their proper roles. NCOs in this position need to step up, educate their officers, and assume the responsibility that is their charge. Oh, if you are an NCO in this situation and need resolution assistance, seek out a gray haired CWO or Sargent Major. They have been there and can help.
The entire leadership team must plan and work together. They must utilize the training and expertise of each and every team member. Officers must get to know their NCOs and NCOs must get to know their officers. Learn how they think. Know the plan. This 'marriage' is more critical the your marriage to your spouse if you want to have the best chance of mission accomplishment and returning home.
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I was lucky enough to participate in an NCOPD the other day where this discussion was had. I think the final concensus was that the NCOs used to have a much larger influence on the commissioned officers than they do today. I believe this is in most part due to the fact that the Army was spread thin due to the conflicts we were engaged in. Since then we have pulled many troops back from those theaters and the commissioned officers have seen the shortcomings of many NCOs and have assumed that all NCOs must have these same faults. What the NCOs need to do is prove their value to the officers to get back in the high esteem we once we're but until then we will be kept on a much shorter leash than we used to. NCOs constantly tell the officers to stay in their own lane but in reality as a team it is their lane as well. We just need to control that lane better to have the influence we would like.
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CW4 John Karl T.
Every mission (especially the admin/garrison one) is a convoy. Unless everyone knows the destination and the route, maintains his position and interval the only success relies on luck. If you have bad luck, you fail and maybe you die. With good luck, you succeed. Good luck does not happen. Your have to earnestly plan and execute to the highest skill level each of you can possibly muster. Then you have good luck and prevail.
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Officers job is administration its the nco who plans and trains his soldiers battle drills and current ttps
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I don't like it NCO r the ones with the troop s more they shouldn be in control and usually have more exp
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