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Its a good thing, for ISIS and friends, that I am not POTUS - I would send in troops to root out these barbarians and wipe them out.
No nice guy. No punches held. They would die and that's that.
And, we would protect those civilians they have targeted. This ISIS "program" would be over, and I'd likely take it to Syria in some form.
This is ridiculous to the extent that it is now obscene and offensive to the extreme.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2729287/ISIS-beheads-journalist-James-Wright-Foley-warning-US.html
No nice guy. No punches held. They would die and that's that.
And, we would protect those civilians they have targeted. This ISIS "program" would be over, and I'd likely take it to Syria in some form.
This is ridiculous to the extent that it is now obscene and offensive to the extreme.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2729287/ISIS-beheads-journalist-James-Wright-Foley-warning-US.html
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MAJ Derrick J.
Sir, no disrespect but I am glad that you are not the POTUS. As much as I despise what ISIS is doing, I am tired of us trying to fix other country's problems. The moment ISIS threatens us directly, yes we should go and exterminate them. In the meanwhile, I am sure that there are other pressing issues here that our politicians should be taking care of.
Sir, no disrespect but I am glad that you are not the POTUS. As much as I despise what ISIS is doing, I am tired of us trying to fix other country's problems. The moment ISIS threatens us directly, yes we should go and exterminate them. In the meanwhile, I am sure that there are other pressing issues here that our politicians should be taking care of.
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MAJ Derrick J.
SFC -
I have learned from history that there is no negotiating with these people. There is no deal that they will honor, no promise they will keep - except to "wipe the West off the face of the earth."
Those are their words, not mine.
My response is an adult response to childish barbaric 7th Century behaviors.
The lesson of WW2, especially, is that appeasement and delay in the face of such evil will only guarantee that we must fight them, eventually on our own shores.
So, I say drop a 100 ton hammer on them and end this crap for another 50 or 100 years.
And, if I were POTUS they would know better than to do what they are doing, hence much of the international problems and terrorist threats would not be happening in the first place. Thats the effect of decisive strong leadership - it stops evil doers from doing their worst.
I have learned from history that there is no negotiating with these people. There is no deal that they will honor, no promise they will keep - except to "wipe the West off the face of the earth."
Those are their words, not mine.
My response is an adult response to childish barbaric 7th Century behaviors.
The lesson of WW2, especially, is that appeasement and delay in the face of such evil will only guarantee that we must fight them, eventually on our own shores.
So, I say drop a 100 ton hammer on them and end this crap for another 50 or 100 years.
And, if I were POTUS they would know better than to do what they are doing, hence much of the international problems and terrorist threats would not be happening in the first place. Thats the effect of decisive strong leadership - it stops evil doers from doing their worst.
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SFC (Join to see)
Sir, I agree with you, animals like those should not be allowed to exist, but sending our troops to do what the Iraqi government should be doing, that's where I don't really think is a great idea.
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MAJ Derrick J.
I get what you're saying and it would seem reasonable, except that this isn't about what the Iraqi government can or cannot do. It's about crushing and exterminating a virulent philosophical contagion and eventual direct threat to this nation and the world.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
They've held against his will an now executed a US citizen. It doesn't get any more in your face than that. Let's not fix anything, lets just rescue our people.
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I personally think that this is a 2 fold problem....1. we are dealing with radicals....they don't ever think straight. 2. we caused this problem in two different ways. The first way was to take Saddam out of the picture. I date back to Desert Storm, so I suspected in 1991 that we would be back to finish the job...and I feel it was the right thing to do. The SECOND way we failed/facilitated this is our withdrawl. Look at history. WW2: Stablization forces in Europe for 50+ years...keeping the peace and monitoring the rebuilding; also Stablization forces in Japan...again, providing oversight. we were there for 13 years (give or take a year or 2.....) what stablization is that? The country is STILL populated by an uneducated population. With this, it only takes a few "educated bad guys" to enforce what the law is regardless of what it truely says, or how it says it...nobody can go read it themselves or inturrpret it. they MUST rely on someone that can read. I suspected that this type of thing would occur with the short occupation and pull out. Truly, about the only way to succeed would be to ensure all children for the next 2-3 generations are educated (both male and female). Once a majority of the population is educated, they have less risk of being fed a line of bull from some terrorist interpretation. We either need to sit back and let them deal with this mess 100% regardless of how it turns out for Iraq, OR we need to be dedicated for the next 50-70 years......and support them as we did in Germany/Europe and Japan.
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There are severa inflated partisan responses in these comments for that I am disappointed for those who wear the uniforms yet speaks, regurgitates talk radio talking heads nonsense.
First, it appeared that we have not learnt from our mistakes, we cannot continue to send our young men to that desert to fight for those who would not lift a finger themselves.
Two, for the liberal comments that have to be for the president, what is so positive about the previous administration handling things in Iraq that you are eager to see duplicated.
Three, many of you are so twisted into parties politics not to see that are more than the US in the world and until Germany, France, England and all those Arabs countries are willing to have their kids dead or coming missing limbs, we should no longer carry the world problem on our back.
Last, there are many countries who stands on the sidewalk watching America fighting wars after wars like the Romans did and expecting the same result / outcome.
Sadly, this president has undertaken more bold military actions than the previous one except he does not go on national TV to talk tough.
First, it appeared that we have not learnt from our mistakes, we cannot continue to send our young men to that desert to fight for those who would not lift a finger themselves.
Two, for the liberal comments that have to be for the president, what is so positive about the previous administration handling things in Iraq that you are eager to see duplicated.
Three, many of you are so twisted into parties politics not to see that are more than the US in the world and until Germany, France, England and all those Arabs countries are willing to have their kids dead or coming missing limbs, we should no longer carry the world problem on our back.
Last, there are many countries who stands on the sidewalk watching America fighting wars after wars like the Romans did and expecting the same result / outcome.
Sadly, this president has undertaken more bold military actions than the previous one except he does not go on national TV to talk tough.
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MAJ Derrick J.
MSG - there is a power vacuum in the world and that exists because the current POTUS has refused to lead.
The jury is in, just on historical principle, that such a withdrawal creates conditions for bad people to do bad things. Eventually, that will reach our shores in terms of violence and economics.
Then there is the principle of DOING THE RIGHT THING, and after this latest barbarism and resulting murder, its time to literally wipe these people out. There is no other alternative.
Keep trying to look away all you want, but eventually whats happening "over there" will be happening here. And we will pay an economic price and lose our standard of living as a result. Then who will be there for the abused and murdered? Who will be as generous as we have been?
We are, or should be, a force for good - yes, I said it - not an ostrich nation that cant seem to figure out its own national moral compass anymore.
The jury is in, just on historical principle, that such a withdrawal creates conditions for bad people to do bad things. Eventually, that will reach our shores in terms of violence and economics.
Then there is the principle of DOING THE RIGHT THING, and after this latest barbarism and resulting murder, its time to literally wipe these people out. There is no other alternative.
Keep trying to look away all you want, but eventually whats happening "over there" will be happening here. And we will pay an economic price and lose our standard of living as a result. Then who will be there for the abused and murdered? Who will be as generous as we have been?
We are, or should be, a force for good - yes, I said it - not an ostrich nation that cant seem to figure out its own national moral compass anymore.
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MSG (Join to see)
Sir, where I disagree with you and many others who subscribe to that power vacuum notion is simple, it defines logic. To engage in war for more than 12 years in Iraq and Afghanistan and yet we have not learn a lesson that this thing will be fixed only when those in the regions understand that they also have to fight, this is not President Obama saying but it is common sense.
I am disappointed simply because smart people like you and many on this site should have a clear rational point of view about this, We Cannot stretch our military all over the world fighting wars while thee Chinese are watching us smiling. We spent trillions of dollars in Iraq, training Iraqis, for what, for them to walk away from the fight while leaving high tech weapons behind for Isis.
What on earth say that we should have left 10,000 to 15,000 behind to fight Isis while these Iraqis soldiers sat down on the side walk and watch.
What on earth gave us assurance that whomever we allied with in Syria wouldn't do the same.
It is new paradigm that many on the right and left have yet to embrace, we will no longer be subscribed to that usual mind set of going to war fighting for others interests while they sit on the sidewalk and watch.
I am disappointed simply because smart people like you and many on this site should have a clear rational point of view about this, We Cannot stretch our military all over the world fighting wars while thee Chinese are watching us smiling. We spent trillions of dollars in Iraq, training Iraqis, for what, for them to walk away from the fight while leaving high tech weapons behind for Isis.
What on earth say that we should have left 10,000 to 15,000 behind to fight Isis while these Iraqis soldiers sat down on the side walk and watch.
What on earth gave us assurance that whomever we allied with in Syria wouldn't do the same.
It is new paradigm that many on the right and left have yet to embrace, we will no longer be subscribed to that usual mind set of going to war fighting for others interests while they sit on the sidewalk and watch.
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Pretty easy decision for all those "US" citizens that have decided to give up their citizenship and travel to the ISIL and tear up there passports as a symbol of solidarity. Time to revoke their citizenship and declare war on the ISIL. There can be no appeasement , only defeat for the enemies of our state.
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I say we should send in the 160th SOAR and offer these guys free helicopter rides while Delta and DEVGRU play "dirt darts" from 300 feet. If you've got to do the "wet work", someone should at least be having fun doing it.
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MAJ Derrick J.
Colonel - I would point you to history, particularly to how we handled the Barbary Coast pirates in the last century. They were Muslims - we went in and wiped them out and that message kept them quiet and contained for the next 100+ years. We do that again and these fascistic barbarians go away.
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LTC Paul Labrador
While I think their methods were a bit excessive, the reasons why the Roman Empire lasted so long was that they tended to DESTROY their enemies.
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I agree it's ridiculous, all these terrorist want to do is kill. There is no cease fire, compromises, or surrendering. It's kill or be killed. No ifs ands or buts. It's also clear cut evidence of yet another one of moron-in-charge failures. Oh well, let's play another round of golf and blame Bush.
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MAJ Derrick J.
The rules would be simple if I were POTUS - they fire on US Forces, they die, period. They fire on civilians, they die, period. Their camps / refuges would be carpet bombed too... gloves would be off.
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MAJ Derrick J.
Captain - there was a strategic reason for that call by Bush. The argument you just articulated didn't have application anymore because Saddam had undermined that rationale himself by becoming a disruptive "power balancing force." In short, it was just and it was designed to keep the focus of the jihadists on the Middle East instead of allowing more focus on America to occur.
ISIS came around because the current regime did not consider how to handle Iraq properly. And, because of Syria, where they were allowed to form in and operate from.
The current regime's reticence to confront jihadists is why ISIS is now stronger than al Qaeda ever was.
ISIS came around because the current regime did not consider how to handle Iraq properly. And, because of Syria, where they were allowed to form in and operate from.
The current regime's reticence to confront jihadists is why ISIS is now stronger than al Qaeda ever was.
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Sgt Packy Flickinger
I'm so sick of people bad mouthing the war in Iraq. Were you not alive during 9/11? Many terrorist were captured in Iraq. Also, Saddam was a big terrorist himself, the tried to commit genocide against the Kurds use WMD's (yes folks he had them, march 16 1988) and he attacked his neibors and even his own people.
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MAJ Derrick J. Welcome to the new Jihad! This is classic Jihad 101 that ISIS is using in their methods and rationale. As disgusting as it seems the beheading was relatively quick. There are lots of examples of things ISIS have done to others that are even worse - burial alive or stoning hundreds comes to mind. The only issue I see - how do you track down something (ISIS) when you don't even know the identification of the leadership and there's no set seat of government. This is tribal warfare in the modern world - our military is not set up for that. To fight ISIS with our current military settings - probably not a good idea. We need to learn about our enemy and determine the best way to destroy them. Going where they've been is fighting a reactive battle. Even if we were able to identify every figher (doubtful), we certainly don't know who the leadership is.....
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MAJ Derrick J.
I disagree - put eyes on the population centers, place quick reaction forces strategically, and put units around each center with sniper, air and artillery support working together, that would decimate them.
In short, deny them the freedom to enter population centers unopposed from here on out.
We must adjust our ROE in order to deal with them - no more politically correct ROE - wipe them out, period. That's the only way to deal with them....
In short, deny them the freedom to enter population centers unopposed from here on out.
We must adjust our ROE in order to deal with them - no more politically correct ROE - wipe them out, period. That's the only way to deal with them....
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MSG (Join to see)
Really, for real that is your plan sir, more boots on the ground, my question to you for how long, let me guess as long as it takes because what seems to be missing in that reasoning is the moment that we leave, they will drop their weapons and allow the radicals to take over and oh by the way acquiring American weapons for free.
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MAJ Derrick J.
If we bury the jihadists and eliminate them conclusively, the message will be sent and we will have a period of peace again that does not include putting up with that human debris. The plan is simple and judicious, not open ended.
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Without a Plan? Just go in there and NUKE them? History has shown this works but at what expense? Get a plan together, with exact details and then see if that is what we should do?
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