Posted on Jun 11, 2015
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Where did "Officer Friendly" go? What happened to police walking beats and getting to know their community? Where did the SWAT mentality/Bullies with Badges come from? Modern training teaches police to be extremely assertive, to yell like drill sergeants and bark orders to civilians, then force them to comply. Is that part of the problem> What's your solution?
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SGM Matthew Quick
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Perhaps SOCIETY could act a little better!

Police officers have tough jobs...working each day not knowing if they'll come home alive or not.
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No, i disagree. I think the police do a great job. Walk a mile in their shoes and just like a soldier when you leave the FOB shit might get bad, there is no gaurantee you come back. A peace officer is not a political figure he/she are enforcing the laws that the politicans pass and want enforced. Respect authority. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
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SGM Steve Wettstein
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Damn straight Matt and Scott.
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SGM (Join to see) - Who is the "we" you are commenting upon?
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If you want Andy Griffith then the criminals need to be like Otis. But unfortunately that is not the case. They are encountering more and more violent interactions and each time they respond they are criticized and MMQB'D by people and the media that have no clue what it's like to wear the badge or be in a situation where your life hinges on a decision you have to make in milliseconds. Mayberry RFD. Is long gone and we will not see a return to the days of Andy Griffith style policing. Our society has progressed or digress ed (depending on how you see it) to a point where it is highly unlikely the police will ever become soft and cuddly. With the recent war on the police by the media and cop blockers this hardliners stance will only get worse. Cops are on high alert and I don't blame them.
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Among the sheepish population there is a movement to soften the police. But at the same time the anti police and cop blockers are stepping up the violent attacks on those that serve and protect their community. You can't have a softer style police force while they are actively engaged in defending themselves on the street and at their HQ's. Yes I would love to see a society where police do not have to use lethal force on suspects. But I am a realist. And I do not think we will see things get better in our lifetime. Our society has some very serious issues and too many of us are busy following the Kardashians to give a rip about the real problems. Sorry for the gloom and doom. But from my foxhole, we have a long way to go.
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SFC Benjamin Mulkey
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It's a common sense problem plain and simple. The right approach for the right situation... there aren't enough flexible, adaptive people in the world to fill the shoes.. it's also a hiring process problem.. a lot of good people are simply disqualified from being police because of mistakes... sometimes mistakes that made them better fit for the role.. they learned what it's like to be on the other end of the mistake... a lot of arrogance in the police force stems from a "I'm better than that" mentality that breeds a "I'm better than you" outlook.
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SGM (Join to see) - Just how long is "not for long"?
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SGM (Join to see) - What you fail to realize is that the community interactions are much more violent today than they used to be. It was never a safe occupation, but the criminal of today truly displays much less regard for their own safety or for that of others. Also the display of strength in numbers actually lowers the potential for fatal police encounters. A swarm of police officers on a potentially violent subject will usually be able to stop a badly developing situation with much lower risk.
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MSG Brad Sand
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Of all these 'incidents' paraded by the media, ONE was an abuse of power and that was quickly ignored by the police because the officer was arrested and charged?

The police are under attack in a way I have never seen in my lifetime and I think we better start getting behind the police and show our support. I think if criminals would stop breaking the law or resisting when caught 100% of these incidents would never happen.

I think we should allow these people who would rather take their chances with the criminals and thugs to sign off from the police being forced to protect them.
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MSG Sand, agree...but also that we are in a time like no other in our lifetimes. Police have increasingly evolved into a quasi-military militia force. As in all cases not everyone is arrogantly elite; yet facts show that many think they are above the laws they enforce--the same is true with Congress and many other officials elected, appointed, etc. 1SG Lopez, yes, real criminals need real law enforcement, and our efforts, policies, and resources should focus there. We need to decriminalize many offenses, and demilitarize local police.
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All of my interactions started with either Sir or Ma'am. Regardless of the age or outcome. I kept it a simple as I could. Never degraded and always tried to stay on my side of the fence and not over step. However, there were a ton of times I was pushed to my limit and I had to take action against someone's actions.
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MSG Brad Sand
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I don't disagree that police have beefed up their equipment and tactics, but I think you are reversing the effect and cause? Police have not been proactive but reactive. As the level of violence initiated by criminals has risen, so has law enforcement response.

I am least twice as old as most of the criminals in these stories we are be bombard with but you know how many times I have been chased by police? None. This is because of number of reasons, not the least of which is that I have not broken any real laws? I am willing to bet the same is true with you? Lawlessness cause police violence, not the other way around.
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SPC George Adkins
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The 99% that are good officers are culpable when they look the other way at what the 1% is doing wrong. That bad seeds in LE make the jobs of good cops much harder. In my 43 years on this planet, I have seen all sides of LE.Some good. Some bad. I have friends and relatives that were career LE that could not wait to retire and get away from the current generation of cops.
I've been pulled over and threatened with arrest for being in the "wrong" neighborhood.
I've had cops help me change a tire in the rain.
I've been cuffed, and slammed to the pavement due to mistaken identity (without even an apology afterwards.)
I've been given warnings when I should have been arrested or ticketed.
LEOs are slices of the general population. They aren't gods. They aren't all evil. They have bad days and good days. Unfortunately, the bad ones have established a stereotype that will be difficult to erase. Dash cams, body cams, and regular uniforms will go along way to help. The cameras (both in the general population and LEOs) only help to add transparency and context. A more civilian attire will speak to their professionalism as civilian servants rather than troops.
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Isn't it time for police forces to focus less on force and more on real policing = serve and protect?
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Here's my perception on your comment where did "officer friendly" go? It went out the window with our society. There are a lot of really bad people out there in the world making it tough for all of our law enforcement to be "friendly" on any given day. When you have to deal with “road rage” here in California, how can officers be friendly with idiots like that on the road? On the way to my client's office yesterday in Santa Ana, CA I had to change lanes quickly, used my turn signal and thought I allowed enough proper distance, but the driver behind me didn't like it. Instead of honky his horn, he quickly pulled up beside me and tried to ram my car. Now if we have people that are going to act like that in a car and then act that way in public how are the police supposed to be friendly? In small communities where you don't have all the thugs it’s like Mayberry RFD and the police get along fine with everyone and they are friendly. I think society and the police both need to change, but it just can't be one or the other. If they use excessive force and there is no justification, then the police officer is no better than the thug and should be prosecuted as such (just like a criminal). Just my opinion!
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SPC George Adkins
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Violent crime is down....way down in the last 40 years. Perhaps this is due to the harsher policing, but the question remains; if crime is down so much, why is our police ratcheting up their tactics?
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SSG Trust Palmer
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I have no issue with the police if they are doing their job correctly. Yes, there are good and bad people in this world regardless of their professional occupation. I have witnessed by husband SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4' thrown on top a police car and our son being thrown into the rocks by overzealous cops. One officer lied out of the side of his neck in the report while the other two told the truth. If it had not been for the other two officers my husband and son would have criminal records. Every time I would see the lying officer I would greet him. About a year later I finally held a conversation with him. After small chit-chat, he ADMITTED that he overreacted and needed his meds adjusted. WOW!!! He could have ruined their lives (or taken them) because he needed his medicine adjusted. I thank God to this day that my family is okay. However , because of this my husband and our son have a VERY different outlook when it comes to police officers. I don't feel it was racially motivated. I forgave the officer (J was upset that I did). This will take awhile for the men in my family to heal from. I can't get the images out of my mind, but I believe when that officer sees me he's ashame of his actions... he puts his head down every time. I speak and it forces him to acknowledge me. I pray for those that do evil.

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SFC Paul Schwindeller
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There are too many people in positions of authority that should not be due to a medical condition
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SSG Trust Palmer
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SGM (Join to see) it does. A lot of times the victims no longer have a voice...they die. @SFC Paul Schwindller I can agree. However, if proper treatment is maintained it is okay. Severe mental illness is a different story.
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SSG Trust Palmer
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Lava???? Oh my word. Not Lava. Welp, here's a interesting clip. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid= [login to see] 25555&id= [login to see] 0473&ref=m_notif&notif_t=group_activity SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4' SGT (Join to see)
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SSG Trust- I am a LEO and a citizen soldier, I understand your situation and can tell you everyone makes mistakes, the ones that own their mistakes are the professionals. I was in a situation while on duty as a LEO and another agency began to shoot me and my partner while effecting a criminal search warrant. The other agency was in the wrong but they tried to cover their own, me and my partner maintained our innocence but were arrested and charged with 6 felonies... (True Story). After months of being on the beach and going through the system lawyers on both sides gathered evidence and the final outcome was we were innocent and the charges were dismissed against us.. Now came civil litigation which we won easily, they made an offer we accepted and the case was closed. The funny thing is that the officer who fired at us and started the incident was not reprimanded or suspended, they maintaned their innocence. Now this is where KARMA comes in, several years later the officer gets popped for Cocaine on a piss test, then several other citizens filed complaints about this officer... After 17 years on the job he loses in pension and job.... Life can be a bitch but Karma is a MFr..... I am glad your family is okay and that the have the ability to "Let it Go" and that their lives wern;t ruined.... In the end the legal process does work more than it does not...
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Unfortunately, the gov't will first have to end the asinine, statist, failure that is the War on Drugs.
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ding ding ding!
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SPC George Adkins
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Follow the money. LE is a cash cow, The "war on drugs" is a steroid injection for the cow.
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Sgt Victor Smith
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Probably the same place as common sense. You couldn't pay me enough to be in law enforcement now a days. The general public has no respect for any one in the position of authority. Yeah, yeah I know there are some bad cops. But in most cases they are not and if people would just obey their commands most of the high lights in the news would not be there. Less than one percent of police interactions have any conflict, but you never hear about those. God Bless those that Severe!!
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CPT Ahmed Faried
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freudian slip there? "severe".
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CPT Ahmed Faried
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I recommend the book by Radlay Balko "Rise of the Warrior Cop: Militarization of the Police" it fully explains the trend from 'guardian' to 'warrior' that many LEAs exhibit today.
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CPT Faried, haven't read but have heard of it and will now read. Thank you.
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SGM Coberly - I recommend that you read the "Street Survival" series:

https://www.amazon.com/Street-Survival-Tactics-Armed-Encounters/dp/ [login to see]
https://www.amazon.com/Street-Survival-II-Tactics-Encounters/dp/ [login to see]
https://www.amazon.com/Tactical-Edge-Surviving-High-Risk-Patrol/dp/093587805X/
https://www.amazon.com/Tactics-Criminal-Patrol-Discovery-Survival/dp/ [login to see] /

The only reviewers who had anything good to say about "Rise of the Warrior Cop: Militarization of the Police" are the same individuals who today support the insurrection.
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CPT Chris Loomis
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SGM Dan Coberly Sergeant Major, respectfully, have you been trained as a civilian police officer, or ever walked a mile in a street cops shoes?

Your comments, attitude, and obvious beliefs lead me to believe that you believe everything that you read and hear in the media.....

There are good and bad LEOs everywhere. Just like there are good and bad Soldiers and people.

At least here in California, the current philosophy of policing is "intelligence based policing." That philosophy and doctrine apecifically pushes LEOs to be friendly and communicate with people-the community and the criminals. It pushed LEOs to use their heads more than their hands and weapons.

Now, the above philosophy/doctrine elaborated, (at least here in California) the sole job of a Police Officer/Deputy Sheriff is to enforce the law. What that means is that whether the crime be a infraction, misdemeanor or felony, it is not the LEOs job to be the judge and jury. It is their job to investigate the facts and apprehend those that have violated the law. Apprehension of those violators/or the accused oftentimes means that you, the LEO, are going to physically take custody of those human beings. I don't know if very many human beings that like their freedom being taken-especially here in the United States. That said, a situation of arrest/apprehension is a high stress and emotional undertaking. The violator/accused is anxious and the cops are normally on alert.... And there is nothing in the rule book that says LEOs have to be polite or warm and fuzzy. In fact, here in California there is specifically a law (section 835a of the penal code) that says you do not have to retreat or back down and give the LEO the right of self defense.

Me personally, I have the training and experience of civilian law enforcement. I also put handcuffs on more than one person. And I done so here in Southern California where the environment can at least be called dangerous and hostile towards LEOs. In fact, I once heard a former Marine, who was my Field Training Officer, compare Los Angeles, CA USA to Beruit, Lebanon.... I'm not going to lie and tell you that I've always been a nice guy because I haven't. But, I can honestly say (and sleep well knowing) that I was never a jerk until I needed to be a jerk. By that I mean I never yelled at anyone or swore unless the situation warranted it. I was always taught and tried to "look, act, and be professional." And frankly, the vast majority of LEOs around me did as well.

Why am I going on off this tirade? Hopefully to bring to light that:

1. You've never walked a mile in a LEOs shoes (so far as I could tell from your profile and written word).

2. The job is much tougher than you can imagine.

And,

3. You're wrong.

Very Respectfully,
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Serve and protect- If the people you serve and protect are the ones shooting, robbing, raping, etc.... Why protect them, prosecute them accordingly and protect the victims of these senseless crimes.  Judges and our legal system are to blame. 
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SGT Juan Soriano
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I agree with L.T. Loomis, you tool my breath away..
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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Yes we need to derail this train of events before no one trusts the police.
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SSG Paul Setterholm
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the police I grew up with were involved. They would steer kids away from mischief and be proactive in preventing crime. Not just arresting after the fact is my point.
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There were points in the past during Vietnam such as Mi Lai when no one trusted a soldier, either. We don't see or hear of European police shooting people like we do in the United States, although it is more common in third world countries...are we a third world country?
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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The way we're going SGM (Join to see) we're close.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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Making sure these issues are brought out is good and I give the media credit for that but the over-sensationalizing of it and putting racial spins on it is beyond good judgment and that has to stop. We need to correct the problem of what appears to be over zealous LEOs without making the issue into something is not. There's a story about a white male killed by a white female police officer - anyone hear about that or was the noise drowned out by the crickets chirping.
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