Posted on Apr 8, 2015
Last IOC in Marine infantry experiment drops female officers
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http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story/military/2015/04/07/last-ioc-in-marine-experiment-drops-two-officers/25418867/
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Of note is reference to Ground Intelligence Officers (0203) remaining open. Our (3/1) Assistant S2 (Aka Scout Sniper Platoon Commander) was a Ground Intel Officer.
For your consumption.
Of note is reference to Ground Intelligence Officers (0203) remaining open. Our (3/1) Assistant S2 (Aka Scout Sniper Platoon Commander) was a Ground Intel Officer.
Women in the Military
Infantry
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Responses: 11
I just read this. I thought this would have happened. It is an extremely difficult course. Now the Army is going to do their part with Ranger School. We will see what really comes of this. Will they alter the standards? I hope not. I am tired of this Israeli Army thing also. They don't fight how we fight. We have a set of expectations that we have put there for the combat effectiveness. If we reduce them we will be reducing our combat effectiveness.
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MAJ Rene De La Rosa
1LT Eric Rosa, your pithy remarks speak volumes regarding the current situation.
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I will lead with the quote that I think summarizes the reality:
The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal - Aristotle
So we learned that not nearly as many women as were allowed to try even volunteered to try. Then of the women that did, 0% passed (the IOC).
4 passed the SOI course for enlisted Marines.
Do you think this will silence the women in combat chatter? Probably not. It will not stop until the standards are lowered and some make it and they can claim victory.
Mind you, the women demanding this are not women in the Marines they are feminists that have zero interest in attending. Women Marines are the best trained women in the US Military(IMHO) and they don't appear to even want to volunteer.
The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal - Aristotle
So we learned that not nearly as many women as were allowed to try even volunteered to try. Then of the women that did, 0% passed (the IOC).
4 passed the SOI course for enlisted Marines.
Do you think this will silence the women in combat chatter? Probably not. It will not stop until the standards are lowered and some make it and they can claim victory.
Mind you, the women demanding this are not women in the Marines they are feminists that have zero interest in attending. Women Marines are the best trained women in the US Military(IMHO) and they don't appear to even want to volunteer.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
"That data will be taken alongside other research points, including the much higher success rate for enlisted female Marines in passing the Infantry Training Battalion course at Camp Lejeune, North Carolina. As of February, 358 women had attempted the course, with 122 graduates, for a pass rate of 34 percent."
We actually had much better results on the enlisted side. It wasn't just the initial 4. Since then (through Feb 2015), we've had 122 of 358.
We actually had much better results on the enlisted side. It wasn't just the initial 4. Since then (through Feb 2015), we've had 122 of 358.
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CPT Quentin von Éfáns-Taráfdar
A Marine who is familiar with Greek philosophers! Be careful there, CPL, You could singlehandedly ruin the Marines' "Jarhead" image!
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
I have a feeling it will be devoid of "opinion" and rely on data more than anything. It may include "testimonials" to highlight the issue however.
Overall this is how research should be done. "Baptism by fire." I doubt anyone will be able to say standards were 'adjusted' (positive or negative) when reviewing this.
Overall this is how research should be done. "Baptism by fire." I doubt anyone will be able to say standards were 'adjusted' (positive or negative) when reviewing this.
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