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I have been noticing a trend lately, and its disturbing to me. Not all police are bad, many of them are great people who help the community on and off the clock, but in the past year I have come across so many videos on social media of officers brutally attacking children and killing others .... who had done nothing wrong. Is there no accountability for the police?
(I posted a couple videos of cops beating up civilians, and one video of a cop choking another guy to death, the moderator and/or administrator of RP seems to have removed it)
Why is it if a soldier injures or kills a civilian he is court marshalled, but if a LEO does it, its "Paid Vacation"?
In my honest opinion, we as soldiers treated the Afghan Populace with much more dignity and respect then the police treat U.S. Citizens with.
(I posted a couple videos of cops beating up civilians, and one video of a cop choking another guy to death, the moderator and/or administrator of RP seems to have removed it)
Why is it if a soldier injures or kills a civilian he is court marshalled, but if a LEO does it, its "Paid Vacation"?
In my honest opinion, we as soldiers treated the Afghan Populace with much more dignity and respect then the police treat U.S. Citizens with.
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SGT Suraj Dave First, I will qualify this statement with my own experience: Been in that field since '85 (Military Police-CONUS/OCONUS, City Cop, Federal Agent).
When you state that you have seen social media accounts of police officers brutally attacking children and killing others...who had done nothing wrong.... It makes me cringe. Videos like that are generally only a portion of the story. You have to realize that.
Are there bad cops? Yes. In every State? Yes. Hell, a Deputy US Marshal from Florida was just arrested in California for ripping off a drug dealer for 27 pounds of weed! A Police Officer in Birmingham was burning down houses. A Customs Agent went to prison for Child Porn.
When you say why is it fair that if a soldier injures or kills he is Courts Marshaled, but if a LEO does it, it is a paid vacation-know this: Soldier-innocent until proven guilty, gets paid until if/when a sentence is delivered. LEO-tried by the public media, immediately crucified, paid-yes, until legal decisions are made. IF a cop commits a straight up crime and is arrested for it, he will not be getting paid. Whoever he works for will fire him, but there are procedures that the employer has to follow.
As far as the videos, I have to tell you that I am glad they took them down. They are nothing but incendiary.
Very few Police walk out the door saying "today I am going to treat the world like shit". But every day, those same guys/gals get treated like shit by the world. 99% of Police treat people well, then the people deteriorate the situation, then the Police have to do things to enforce the law and maintain order, then the cameras come out and you see 10% of a situation.
You have been a soldier, I applaud your service. Now, since you think that Police are violent and unaccountable, I invite you to go to a big city police department and do some ride alongs with real cops and find out just how tough it really is. Let me know how that works out for you, I think it will open your eyes to reality. We encounter guns daily-some get used, some don't. I treat folks the way I would want to be treated, until that doesn't work.
When you state that you have seen social media accounts of police officers brutally attacking children and killing others...who had done nothing wrong.... It makes me cringe. Videos like that are generally only a portion of the story. You have to realize that.
Are there bad cops? Yes. In every State? Yes. Hell, a Deputy US Marshal from Florida was just arrested in California for ripping off a drug dealer for 27 pounds of weed! A Police Officer in Birmingham was burning down houses. A Customs Agent went to prison for Child Porn.
When you say why is it fair that if a soldier injures or kills he is Courts Marshaled, but if a LEO does it, it is a paid vacation-know this: Soldier-innocent until proven guilty, gets paid until if/when a sentence is delivered. LEO-tried by the public media, immediately crucified, paid-yes, until legal decisions are made. IF a cop commits a straight up crime and is arrested for it, he will not be getting paid. Whoever he works for will fire him, but there are procedures that the employer has to follow.
As far as the videos, I have to tell you that I am glad they took them down. They are nothing but incendiary.
Very few Police walk out the door saying "today I am going to treat the world like shit". But every day, those same guys/gals get treated like shit by the world. 99% of Police treat people well, then the people deteriorate the situation, then the Police have to do things to enforce the law and maintain order, then the cameras come out and you see 10% of a situation.
You have been a soldier, I applaud your service. Now, since you think that Police are violent and unaccountable, I invite you to go to a big city police department and do some ride alongs with real cops and find out just how tough it really is. Let me know how that works out for you, I think it will open your eyes to reality. We encounter guns daily-some get used, some don't. I treat folks the way I would want to be treated, until that doesn't work.
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CMSgt James Nolan
SSgt (Join to see) And that is an example of a tough situation to defend. Arguably, we have no idea what happened outside the cell, but...that is a tough situation to defend. And with it being in a jail, and on tape, I can assure you that there is also tape from outside the cell. I would venture to guess that there was harsh discipline, and potentially charges out of that.
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CMSgt James Nolan The officer who later attended to her seemed like a decent guy. That is the encouraging part of this...
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SGT Suraj Dave
Interesting. Seems like Wisconsin is the only state that requires an outside investigation for deaths within police custody.
http://colorlines.com/archives/2014/04/when_police_kill_should_they_judge_themselves.html
http://colorlines.com/archives/2014/04/when_police_kill_should_they_judge_themselves.html
When Police Kill, Should They Judge Themselves?
Wisc. first in the nation to say, no
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CMSgt James Nolan
SGT Suraj Dave I will leave it at this. You bring an interesting point of discussion, I think (my opinion) that you are missing the boat, but, that is one of the things that makes this Nation great, we can disagree. Does not make me right and you wrong, or you right and me wrong. I trust in our system of law, fully understand what it takes to prosecute, and understand that the decisions I make in the blink of an eye will be judged for eternity. As a result of my own personal experience, I try not to judge unless I have all of the facts, because I know that I would want the same treatment. I know that we as law enforcement are put into situations on a daily basis that would make the average person turn and flee, or just scratch their head. That is the nature of the job. I also know that every day, thousands of cops go out and meet people at their very worst and try to make something positive of it, even when the community doesn't want it. I also know that there are some bad apples, and quite frankly, the good cops try to weed out the bad ones. You may find that hard to believe.
In any case, not trying to argue, I see your point of view, and respect it. I just disagree with it.
In any case, not trying to argue, I see your point of view, and respect it. I just disagree with it.
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As I am retired from Law Enforcement, I will say that the Agency I worked for, and the Agencies I worked with, would not allow anything to go unpunished if the officer was wrong. They also will prosecute to the letter of the law. I do notice that many of the videos I have seen are in areas of the country that have on-going battles with LE-Population-Media. Most of the time, the local culture has an influence on how the police respond to issues. Right or wrong, it's a fact. No excuses.
As the Ferguson, MO plays out, it will be interesting to see how everything is handled given the local and outside political influence involved. The officer, even if he is cleared of any wrong doing, can not go back to work in that community.
As the Ferguson, MO plays out, it will be interesting to see how everything is handled given the local and outside political influence involved. The officer, even if he is cleared of any wrong doing, can not go back to work in that community.
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SGT Suraj Dave
Sir,
I have a question for you. Have you ever heard of something known as 'The Blue Code Of Silence'?
I have a question for you. Have you ever heard of something known as 'The Blue Code Of Silence'?
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MAJ Jim Woods
Sure. But that doesn't work well. Most LE agencies have a "Polygraph" clause that basically reads:
"In the event I am employed by any Law Enforcement agency, I recognize and agree that any Law Enforcement program/employer has the right to dismiss me, at any time in the future, should I refuse to take a polygraph examination during an investigation of any action, claim, or grievance against this agency/organization of which I may be employed and/or during any investigation of activities which are deemed detrimental to the internal security or public image of that agency."
I do the polygraphs for 12 separate LE agencies in the State of Idaho. All new hires sign that waiver. I can't speak for other States.
"In the event I am employed by any Law Enforcement agency, I recognize and agree that any Law Enforcement program/employer has the right to dismiss me, at any time in the future, should I refuse to take a polygraph examination during an investigation of any action, claim, or grievance against this agency/organization of which I may be employed and/or during any investigation of activities which are deemed detrimental to the internal security or public image of that agency."
I do the polygraphs for 12 separate LE agencies in the State of Idaho. All new hires sign that waiver. I can't speak for other States.
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