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Protests can quickly turn violent. Riots are becoming more and more common as a means to counter perceived injustices at the hands of law enforcement. Law Enforcement was found lacking in the LA riots. They expanded most of resources at an unsustainable rate. The National Guard would eventually be called in to control the situation. Currently we are seeing the National Guard being mobilized in mass in response to the riots in Baltimore. How this this play out?

Are soldiers more able to handle such a chaotic situation? Do soldiers have a better understanding of the implications in the use of force? Or do civilians only focus their aggression on law enforcement?
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COL Charles Williams
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I would say the answer is "it depends." It all depends on the situation, the resources available (police) and who is better trained in that area to handle riots.

Riot control is part of law enforcement, which we (they) all need to be ready to execute. Military Police units train on this. National Guard units even more so, as their mission on most days can be to reinforce local law enforcement. What I am at a loss for, is why in Ferguson, and then in Baltimore, these units were on site in advance. I would say the best the solution is mobilize the guard early and have them ready.

Riot control involves cordon off areas, stopping and dispersing the protesters, and apprehending all those who violate laws.

I also know there is a huge concern over looking heavy handed when dealing with rioters, when heavy handedness by police, or alleged heavy handedness, police tread lightly in order to prevent making the situation worse.

In that regard, the National Guard (if properly trained and equipped) might be the best first line of defense against rioters...

Certainly no easy solutions here.
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I think that the Governors are reluctant to call the guard into a city. It shows that they Mayor has lost control in their own city. The Gov has to step in and take it over. You have a Republican Gov and a Democratic Mayor. I am sure there is some tension there. Just look how the Mayor tried to handle this and fail.
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SFC George Smith
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I remember In Basic training we all went thru 1 day of "Civil Disturbance Training" the National Guard and Reserve personnel went 6 hours additional training on 4 consecutive weekends ... just for the basics in the 70's before they even got to their units and now they actually have Civil disturbance Training ... (or did when i retired) , where they send entire units during both Drill weekends and annual Training (Summer Camps)... Most National Guard Units were quite proficient in "Riot Control"
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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Escalation of force won't work. Overwhelming shows of force will.

The issue we have now is that police are trained to "escalate up" to the appropriate level of force, which unfortunately will create a "death spiral" situation until we need to call in the National Guard.

That is Overwhelming Force. Rioters when encountering Overwhelming Force will stop dead in their tracks.

Unfortunately, when you go from Civilian Protesters (even Rioters) to Military Riot Control, you run into a Public Affairs nightmare. The perception is just not a good one. Sure, it may have been "necessary" but all the photos show is a Tactical Force standing there in "our Neighborhoods keeping the People down."

So.. of course the National Guard is more capable of handling the situation... but just because they are more capable, doesn't mean they are better suited to do it.
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I don't think that there are really that many issues with calling in the National Guard. I would rather deal with the PR nightmare of having the Guard there than that of rioters destroying more property each and everyday.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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CPT (Join to see) I agree, however this is a concern that the Governor has to deal with. We looking down have the advantage of ONLY having overwhelming force, therefore it makes sense to use it to just fix the problem. There is no escalation issue for us.

The State/Local guys have an ingrained philosophy they must combat, as well the Governor(s) dealing with these things so infrequently, that there is no SOP. It is all case-by-case. For someone who may be looking at future political aspirations, or who has others' future political aspirations tied to him... this situation is infinitely more complex than it is to us.
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Law Enforcement vs Military: Effectiveness in Riot Control
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Most, if not all, police departments get minimal training when it comes to riot control. Here's what we did:
Alright guys, these are the helmets you will wear. Notice they have face shields on them. That's so you don't get anything on your face. You'll also be carrying these plastic shields.
Now our positions will be "x". We will wait until the Major or Chief tells us to move it. Remember to hold your shields up. We will make sure to get them to you before you go out.

We didn't go over group movement or anything. Even basic group movement would've been beneficial. We simply projected an air of weakness & ineptitude that those we were trying to 'control' recognized instantly & fed off of.
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I feel that a military unit would have more direction & training on exact tactics & movements that would be used, as they have a tradition of such things. Police departments, however, do not. It is sad to see, but police departments are having to change from being a service provider, to a controller-type field. The escalation of violence in criminal activity & hatred aimed at law enforcement has forced the escalation of their tactics & equipment used.

That being said, that majority of officers still want to be geared towards serving the community, as is evidenced by the fact that if they have to get tactical gear, they have to either access the trunk of their squad car, or go back to the department to get it from a supply locker.
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I am a National Guard Soldier and a Deputy Sheriff. Civilians involved in a riot do not just focus on the police. Any agent of the government becomes a target. For example the Los Angeles riots fire fighters responding to calls were shot at. The National Guard responds to assist civil authorities not to take control. Military formations just add to the number of boots on ground because the cops are outnumbered from the start and in a riot numbers count. I do believe the mere sight of heavily armored military responding to civil unrest brings the oh shit factor to the law breakers. The ons just having their fun that are not so committed to the cause go home. The committed ones my continue their futile resistance but the battle is already one when the majority of the group retreats.
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SSG Tim Newell, PhD
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I would argue that civilian - and military - police are better equipped to handle riot control. However, when the quantity of available civilian and military police is inadequate, having the local National Guard troops available to assist is a perfect solution... As long as those guardsman are thoroughly briefed on the rules of engagement and leadership at all levels are ensuring those rules are followed. Most National Guard units are briefed and equipped to handle basic riot control functions.
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SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
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Kent state national guard 4 kent state 0 4may kentstate nati demotivational posters 1304501669
National Guard for riot control?
What could possibly go wrong?
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I think those were different times.
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SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
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Indeed they were.
However having group of armed persons not trained and abuse desensitized facing off against a group of serious "dissenters" is going to have pretty much the same result, every time.
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SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. Our national guard is much more prepared now. We have units that assume the duties of a state emergency reaction force. These soldier train for such a mission and prepare for such events. I don't think this was something that happened in the past.
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a Little Known fact about the Kent State Shootings...
one of the students was shot with a .38 spl round nose Lead Bullet... and another was killed by a 32.20 in the back...
and neither of the 2 types of weapons were in the possession or issued to the Ohio National Guard at the time... thus giving some credence to the fact some of the Guardsmen stated they were being fired upon... before they opened fire...
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Don't you think this undermines their authority and kids look at this shit? Might be the wrong idea to post this.
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If you could elaborate on how it does that it would be great. The question is more of less is the question who has the better training. They both from from two different schools of logic. Most states maintain a readiness force that train for riots and various situation in which they can be called upon. The National Guard has a different set of resources available than that of Law Enforcement. This is a means to degrade one over the other.
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1LT Eric Rosa, years ago an Airborne Soldier told of a tour with the British Army -and going somewhere with them. He managed a ride w/ the Brits to a riot in some 3rd world country. The Brits formed into riot formation and went down the street to the problem area. The lead troublemaker was identified to the designated sniper. One round, troublemaker down, rioters fled the scene!
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That is a technique. I don't know if that is really a great long term solution.
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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CPT (Join to see) Not at all long term, but for the moment!
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