Posted on Nov 1, 2014
SGT Suraj Dave
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Women marines
http://www.gruntreport.com/u-s-marine-corps-might-lower-combat-standards-for-women/

Again, the government hasnt done this, but now groups are lobbying for lowering standards for equality purposes.

Thoughts? (I am against it)
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TSgt Education And Training Manager   Afsc 3 F2 X1
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Unless there are verified medical limitations, women should not be given special treatment in order to work in infantry or any other military specialty. We can't have anyone serving in the military who cannot carry their own weight fully.
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MSG Brad Sand
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Medical conditions should not be a reason either. We send male soldiers home or into another MOS everyday for medical reasons.

In the Infantry, you need to be able to carry your own weight and the weight of the person next to you. If you cannot pull your own weight, you are loking at getting two people killed.
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That makes sense. That's what makes daily PT critical.
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SSG David Kaelin
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There should be one standard for Combat MOS'. Period. We're talking lives here.

If you can't haul, you shouldn't be combat infantry.

If you can't do maintenance on the vehicles, such as pulling track, you shouldn't be there.

If you can't physically do the job....NO!

If you can...GREAT! Get it done.
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MSG Brad Sand
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Why are we limiting this to Comabat MOSs?

Maybe some good might actually come from the way they are abusing that poor goat? For got who was in charge, nope, nothing good will come of this.
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CW2 Richard English
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I am a retired Marine Grunt and Army Warrant Officer. The lobbyist are using the wrong word, it is not lowering the standards but instead developing standards that recognizes men and women physical/mental differencies. I have years of expirences training men and women in the military when I served as a Drill SGT at Ft Jackson and a TAC Officer at the Warrent Officer training school. I welcome anyone who serves our country and I respect their choice of roll. American military is made up of marines, soldiers, saliors and airmen, not men and women.

Richard English
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I am pretty certain the pretty girl didn't make it judging by the look on her face..
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CW5 Sam R. Baker
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LMBO......he just said "pretty"
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CW5 Sam R. Baker I must be sexist by saying what every man thought and in a world where men are discouraged by stating the obvious, We saw what happened in the late 80s, with women wanting men to be men. I said nothing about being Crass and ignorant..lol
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CW5 Sam R. Baker
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Can I get a handsome then SSgt (Join to see) ?
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No matter what the job, it doesn't get easier because of your gender. There will be women who can do the job and men who can't. Plain and simple. But to consider gender for any standard is sexist
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Civilians have no right to impress PC, civilian societal norms on the military. We have a culture and structure that is not in any way like the civilian world. We use to assimilate soldiers when they joined, and now, as we have gotten "nicer," are suffering the ramifications of our more soft nature. Im sick of this discussion. If females want to go combat arms, fine...but the standard MUST be upheld. Civilians have no right to chime in with their opinions.
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PO3 Christopher Saucedo
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Keep the standards where they are at. If an individual wishes to perform that job specification then they should be required to pass the standards that are set. If we expect our military to be the best in the world, then tough standards should not be lowered. Well unless we want to have the so-so military in the world.

In the Us, we have been lowering the educational standards for years in order not to offend someone or hurt their feelings. Look where we are now with education. We have more students that cannot read, write, or even do basic mathematical functions such as adding and subtracting. Now don't get me wrong, there are some individuals that due to a disease such as cerebral palsy or autism may not be able to meet the standards should be given a chance to prove that they can do what they can based on their ability and the limitations of their disease.

This is a link to an exam administered to 8th grade students in 1895. How many of us could pass this exam today? I highly doubt many of us would pass this exam.

http://grandfather-economic-report.com/1895-test.htm

It just shows how much our education system has been dumbed down in order to accommodate individuals who do not wish to even try to pass a class and blame the teachers for their failure.

Now if we take this same approach as the US has done with education and apply it to military requirements and standards, where will our military be in twenty years from now?
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SrA Marc Haynes
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I always did not like the idea of some people people that walked the 1 mile test instead of running it. I could see minor time allowances for age but these are military personnel and should be able to run 1 mile.
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SSgt E/E Craftsman
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They wanted females in combat, they got it. I fully support that. If they want to fight, let them, women are just as capable as men when it comes to firing guns and things. However, my wife and I are firm believers that they need to meet the standard set for men; they NEED to be able to carry a 200 lb guy out of the line of fire, its their job, and if we lower standards for them it makes us as a force weaker.
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