Posted on Sep 22, 2023
PFC Jeff Rock
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Has anyone been to the DOM at the LA VA, how was the program?

I need to go to detox first because you have to be clean to go to the DOM for a program. I’m a schizo-affective disorder mental patient with substance abuse and if anyone has gone that route do you know how long detox is, and can you go straight to the DOM from there?

I know I’m posting incredibly sensitive info to the public but it’s about time I face my demons and get my life back. I’m taking back control.

Thanks to anyone who can help
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SGT Whatever Needs Doing.
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I'm happy to see that you have decided to take your life back. I can't speak directly to the locations you mention. I'm in TN. As with any program your commitment level will be the deciding factor. Do You want to Live? I went through detox 6 years ago. At the time I thought it was the hardest thing I'd ever done and the experience is one of the the things that keeps me clean and sober now. I never want to have to go through something like that again. My thing was alcohol, lots and lots of alcohol. I didn't drink to have fun and socialize. I drank to die. Every time I took the cap off of a new bottle and turned it up. My thought was "Maybe this time I won't wake up," I had decided that drinking myself to death would be neat, not leave a mess for someone else to clean up. I was drinking 5ths and gallons daily. My diet consisted of 100 proof bourbon and I looked like it. Clothes baggy and hanging off, old belt with new holes and the tail flapping around. There were people that cared about me but they couldn't touch the part of me that just wanted to stop existing, to quit being a burden on their lives, that craved oblivion. Detox is hard make no mistake about that. What's harder is therapy. You're going to have to open up, not be afraid to talk about what bothers you. You'll get more out of it that way and it's not a one and done thing. It's you constantly working on You with the help of counselors and Drs. If they give you a scrip take it like they say, and interact with them on what it's doing and how it makes you feel. Not every med works the same way on all people. it could take months to figure what the best combination is for you. Once you are clean don't start thinking that "If I just add a little of this or that" it'll be better. You have to find your own reason to stay clean. The 12 step programs tell you rely on your "Higher Power". What I found is if you hold a traditional Judaeo/Christian belief system, you're going to be more comfortable in those meetings. You have to learn to take what works for you, and don't get hung up on the other stuff. Yeah I've got some of those coins they like too give out at milestone points, even kept one in my pocket for a while. But, that's not what keeps a person clean and sober. Those are just things. What keeps us clean is the internal commitment to Love Ourselves.
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SCPO Yeoman
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You taking the time and effort to "let it all hang out there" for a fellow veteran in need deserves a mention. Best wishes to you.
Peace and love.
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Lt Col Charlie Brown
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CPT Jack Durish you are in California. Any word on this program?
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PFC Jeff Rock
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From what I can obtain info wise I have to go to the West Los Angeles VA ER and check in for detox. From there I’m hoping to get into the program at the DOM where you live pseudo military living and have a structured plan for recovery. I’m excited to go, just hoping I can get in after detox.
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PFC Jeff Rock - Good luck. Please keep us posted on your status.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
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The easy part is detox and cleaning up with the hard part completely leaving the life that got you into trouble to begin with. The friends and support network that was there during your substance abuse needs to be gone along with the drugs. What job do you plan to do and where are you moving to after you are done with VA program? Moving back even in the same state could cause a relapse. A large part of the reason the military is so great for troubled youth is it literally can place us on the other side of the world from bad environments. That is the biggest change many of us have needed.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
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I have pointed out to people before that the reason that religious conversion has a much higher success rate than most programs, some of which have recovery rates barely worth the term. The conversion can come with a new set of friends and support group.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
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CPT Lawrence Cable - While I certainly agree with you, one has to be careful of the religious group involved as they can be as dangerous to health as other groups. I have very strong religious beliefs however because I keep them to myself at work and in my professional life I am privy to people that religion did not work for them. It is appalling the direction people are pushed in the name of God.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
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MAJ Byron Oyler -Everything has a failure rate and in substance abuse, it's just a matter of how bad. Churches have a better than average success rate, but like any other program, you can get losers. Sometime its the program, more often than not it's the patient. I am not a believer in the disease theory of addiction and my observation of the people that quit is that they find some thing to substitute for whatever they feel that the drugs and/or alcohol fills. Since that usually means finding a new set of friends, church based programs can offer "forgiveness", a set of standards and a group to support those new choices.
Although I caution about correlating animal studies and human behavior, the Rat Park Studies seem to indicate that a lot of the current thinking on addiction may be wrong. This is a short take on the subject. https://serenityatsummit.com/news/overview-rat-park-addiction-study/
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