Posted on Aug 1, 2020
LTC Vindman retires, was he right or wrong? What about the second and third order effects?
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Aside from the usually partisan (and superficial) comments regarding LTC (R) Vindman, is there a lesson to be learned here? We had a sitting US senator holding up promotion for 1000 senior officers to allow for his promotion. Whistleblowing. Polarizing politics and the politicalization of the military seems to be here for the duration. While the retired could easily just take pot shots from Ft. Living Room, here's my question. How can currently serving members truly remain apolitical? In a world where one callus post can end your career, use some judgment if you elect to weigh in. Was he right? Would you have done the same? Was he dead wrong?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/alexander-vindman-in-fiery-op-ed-upon-military-retirement-i-believe-that-in-america-right-matters/ar-BB17s1rL
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/alexander-vindman-in-fiery-op-ed-upon-military-retirement-i-believe-that-in-america-right-matters/ar-BB17s1rL
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It has nothing to do with oath to the Constitution rather than the person who is president. Vindman is an LTC hired to a particular job. The President is his boss. The Constitution also says the President makes foreign policy. LTCs are not mentioned in it nor do they set policy. The President can by 100% wrong, but we do it his way because he is the decision maker. This guy set the Army up to ridicule and was used as a political pawn by others trying to belittle one person. No matter which party you are or whether you like this guy or not, it was not within the LTC's job description. He should have been disciplined, but he got away scot free. He'll be well compensated by the other side.
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SPC Mark Marquette
CPL Paul Moss - ALL you have is a pitiful attempt to ridicule, rather than answer the challenge to your "(ha-ha-ha!) beliefs, which are spoon fed to you by military, right-wing conspiracists, and morons! You have ZERO capacity for a truly objective, balanced discussion based on FACTS, NOT The shit being spewed by Gaetz, Jordan, MTG and the other truly disgusting slime! And, YOU don't seem to have the BALLS to answer MY challenge, as I DID yours! NO answers? Or, no balls?!
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Capt Jeff S.
SPC Mark Marquette - 80 million Americans did NOT vote for Joe Biden. Pretty much the entire world knows that the Democrats rigged the election... everyone but the Democratic base of useful idiots that voted for a hair sniffing, money laundering fraud who promised to undo Trump's policies and promote Progressive Socialism and the Green New Deal.
The proof is in the pudding. Biden is incompetent. Everything that Trump said would happen if Biden were elected President is coming to pass. The first thing Biden did as President was to undo all Trump's initiatives that are now causing real crises on our border and in our cities. Opening the border had the consequence of allowing fentanyl that is killing 150 people a day into our country, as well as increase the influence of the cartels on our side of the border and that which they are engaged in: drug and human trafficking. Defunding police and banning guns resulting in violent crime spiking as well as shoplifting causing people to not feel safe in their communities and businesses to leave. Now cities that defunded police are wanted to fund them again and Biden just sent 150,000 troops to our Southern Border. Biden wants to be seen as doing something about the very problems his policies created! Well, we call it Biden's policies but he's not the one making any decisions in the Party. Biden answers to his staff and gets in trouble every time he goes off script.
Biden's a national disgrace and should have been answering to investigators for his corruption and money laundering instead of running for President. In most circles, being a crook would disqualify a person from seeking office, but in the Democratic Party, you get street cred and bonus points for being a criminal! Democrats are soft on crime because they want to be more sensitive and relatable to their base. Election fraud has become SOP for the Democratic Party. Figure the odds that vote count reporting would inexplicably stop in the Swing States. Figure the odds that poll watches had to go to court to obtain access to rooms where counting was going on. Figure the odds that poll workers and watchers would be sent home and then counting resumed. Figure the odds that people would be visiting drop boxes at all hours dropping off multiple ballots and taking cell phone pics of themselves dropping off the ballots. Figure the odds that a cognitively challenged, money laundering crook who failed twice in previous Presidential bids, who spent most of his campaign following "The Science" [i.e., hiding from the press] in his basement, who barely managed to fill a few crop circles with reporters on the few occasions when he did get out to campaign, suddenly jumps ahead in the middle of the night with the most votes in History to beat Trump, who had been busy filling stadiums and outdoor venues to capacity the entire campaign!
Both Obama and Biden illegally spied on the Trump campaign. Neither was held accountable. Meanwhile, Trump's accountant put something in the wrong category on his tax form and Trump is reportedly guilty of a felony? offense that at most would be a misdemeanor and that in reality is generally overlooked since it didn't result in him not paying less in taxes to the government. @@
We have two standards of justice in this country. As long as that exists, America will continue to decline. If something isn't done to fix our broken justice system, the country will fail. It will cease to be the symbol of freedom and beacon of hope to the rest of the world. I don't know about you but I don't want to be remembered as the generation of useful idiots that allowed our Founding Fathers' experiment in Democracy to fail.
The proof is in the pudding. Biden is incompetent. Everything that Trump said would happen if Biden were elected President is coming to pass. The first thing Biden did as President was to undo all Trump's initiatives that are now causing real crises on our border and in our cities. Opening the border had the consequence of allowing fentanyl that is killing 150 people a day into our country, as well as increase the influence of the cartels on our side of the border and that which they are engaged in: drug and human trafficking. Defunding police and banning guns resulting in violent crime spiking as well as shoplifting causing people to not feel safe in their communities and businesses to leave. Now cities that defunded police are wanted to fund them again and Biden just sent 150,000 troops to our Southern Border. Biden wants to be seen as doing something about the very problems his policies created! Well, we call it Biden's policies but he's not the one making any decisions in the Party. Biden answers to his staff and gets in trouble every time he goes off script.
Biden's a national disgrace and should have been answering to investigators for his corruption and money laundering instead of running for President. In most circles, being a crook would disqualify a person from seeking office, but in the Democratic Party, you get street cred and bonus points for being a criminal! Democrats are soft on crime because they want to be more sensitive and relatable to their base. Election fraud has become SOP for the Democratic Party. Figure the odds that vote count reporting would inexplicably stop in the Swing States. Figure the odds that poll watches had to go to court to obtain access to rooms where counting was going on. Figure the odds that poll workers and watchers would be sent home and then counting resumed. Figure the odds that people would be visiting drop boxes at all hours dropping off multiple ballots and taking cell phone pics of themselves dropping off the ballots. Figure the odds that a cognitively challenged, money laundering crook who failed twice in previous Presidential bids, who spent most of his campaign following "The Science" [i.e., hiding from the press] in his basement, who barely managed to fill a few crop circles with reporters on the few occasions when he did get out to campaign, suddenly jumps ahead in the middle of the night with the most votes in History to beat Trump, who had been busy filling stadiums and outdoor venues to capacity the entire campaign!
Both Obama and Biden illegally spied on the Trump campaign. Neither was held accountable. Meanwhile, Trump's accountant put something in the wrong category on his tax form and Trump is reportedly guilty of a felony? offense that at most would be a misdemeanor and that in reality is generally overlooked since it didn't result in him not paying less in taxes to the government. @@
We have two standards of justice in this country. As long as that exists, America will continue to decline. If something isn't done to fix our broken justice system, the country will fail. It will cease to be the symbol of freedom and beacon of hope to the rest of the world. I don't know about you but I don't want to be remembered as the generation of useful idiots that allowed our Founding Fathers' experiment in Democracy to fail.
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SSG Rick Miller
SPC Mark Marquette - Quite aside from your rather arrogant presumptions, and your demeaning post, if former President Trump goes to jail, then the justice system has rendered its judgement. That is an end to the political theater, and may even be justice. Now, a simple question for you: What does Trump have to do with the original question about the actions of an active duty officer? It would seem you suffer from a severe case of TDS, you arrogant, pompous ass.
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SPC Mark Marquette
Why did Vindman skip the CoC? 'Cuz he KNEW it would get squelched.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-ukraine-transcript-gaps-richard-nixon-infamous-missing-watergate-tapes-professor-1468660
https://ca.movies.yahoo.com/movies/trump-organizations-handling-mar-lago-152204658.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEn0Iw_yrlUZM52b5NrplRrvmRCqdev1jYw4BSI5d0F5AedX1BRmTctRmPL6R7xt7wGwbx67HEC-m9A7rxRzyKx062YKRKX-s3VxUvwtyPG7a3bi2Aexa3cgC2l-34OJCVaumGRUlSxO7qFqp50R1s0Y-omwj4vKqM3zfWx4LgMr
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65499141
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-ukraine-transcript-gaps-richard-nixon-infamous-missing-watergate-tapes-professor-1468660
https://ca.movies.yahoo.com/movies/trump-organizations-handling-mar-lago-152204658.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEn0Iw_yrlUZM52b5NrplRrvmRCqdev1jYw4BSI5d0F5AedX1BRmTctRmPL6R7xt7wGwbx67HEC-m9A7rxRzyKx062YKRKX-s3VxUvwtyPG7a3bi2Aexa3cgC2l-34OJCVaumGRUlSxO7qFqp50R1s0Y-omwj4vKqM3zfWx4LgMr
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65499141
Trump Ukraine Transcript Gaps Like Nixon's Missing Tapes: Professor
The Watergate special counsel investigation found an 18.5 minute gap in Nixon's recorded phone calls, which Harvard Law School professor Laurence Tribe compared to gaps in the Trump-Zelenskiy memo.
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The LTC was right to report his concern. However, what transpired was a circus that placed the military in the middle of a political firestorm. The LTC should immediately been removed from his position and sent back to the Pentagon for his and the Army’s protection. As a service member, working in that political arena, you have to be cognizant of your actions and how they effect DOD, your service, and you. His supervisor shouldn’t have waited for the White House to make the move. That office should have made the move immediately. Perception is reality and once he lost the perception of being apolitical he was of no use to the Nation in that position. If you are going to fall on your sward and expect to get bloodied. The Senator was wrong to not understand how punishing innocent service members to make a political point and to not understand why the LTC has to be removed. She displayed exactly the opposite of leadership and I for one am glad she is no longer in our formation. Every rotten apple creates more rotten apples. She has terrible leadership, if you can even call it that, qualities. She proved to be a military user, not a defender.
The LTC was right to report his concern. However, what transpired was a circus that placed the military in the middle of a political firestorm. The LTC should immediately been removed from his position and sent back to the Pentagon for his and the Army’s protection. As a service member, working in that political arena, you have to be cognizant of your actions and how they effect DOD, your service, and you. His supervisor shouldn’t have waited for the White House to make the move. That office should have made the move immediately. Perception is reality and once he lost the perception of being apolitical he was of no use to the Nation in that position. If you are going to fall on your sward and expect to get bloodied. The Senator was wrong to not understand how punishing innocent service members to make a political point and to not understand why the LTC has to be removed. She displayed exactly the opposite of leadership and I for one am glad she is no longer in our formation. Every rotten apple creates more rotten apples. She has terrible leadership, if you can even call it that, qualities. She proved to be a military user, not a defender.
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LtCol Bruce Janis
PO2 Jack LaBarge - Sorry amigo…most of us here are not interested in your offer.
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LTC Lance Headrick
No, he was not right. Trump gave no illegal orders therefore Vindman was wrong and probably should have been prosecuted.
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MAJ Ken Landgren
LTC Lance Headrick - What Trump did was illegal. Where does it say a person must protect a president who is conducting illegal activities?
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LTC Lance Headrick
SGT Debra Jahnel I understand you sentiment. So, what was the harm to be caused? Withholding aid? The President can withhold aid on a whim...President Biden brags about actions exactly the same a Trump took. I don't really have a problem with either one.....UNLESS Trump was getting something else out of it or Biden was covering for his son. We will never know in either case because people at that level are at a nuclear detunat. If they weren't we; would know exactly who Epstein had at his island and why. We would know what Hillary, Trump, and Biden had for SECRET documents at their house.
Political proxy war.....top libs and conservatives use their follower like we use Ukraine to battle Russia....let the Ukrainian people die and their cities smolder...who needs peace. Dems fight Reps and vice versa and our people get poorer, national debt gets higher, cities smolder.
Political proxy war.....top libs and conservatives use their follower like we use Ukraine to battle Russia....let the Ukrainian people die and their cities smolder...who needs peace. Dems fight Reps and vice versa and our people get poorer, national debt gets higher, cities smolder.
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Our oath is to the Constitution, not an individual. Show me one place in that oath that says we have to cover up for the CinC. This LTC was honoring his oath and this nation. Trump caused his poor treatment.
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LTC Lance Headrick
SPC Mike Tierney Money was released before. In Europe Free Press 10 Oct 2019 quoted Zelensky as saying he did not hear any money was being withheld.
Besides what would have been the difference between this and what Biden bragged about? Were you outraged about that?
Besides what would have been the difference between this and what Biden bragged about? Were you outraged about that?
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LTC Lance Headrick
SPC Mike Tierney Just goes to show that you live in echo chamber. 18 Sep 2020.
Senate Finance Committee Report
https://www.finance.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC%20-%20Finance%20Joint%20Report%202020.09.23.pdf
Senate Finance Committee Report
https://www.finance.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC%20-%20Finance%20Joint%20Report%202020.09.23.pdf
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