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LTC Vindman retires, was he right or wrong? What about the second and third order effects?
Aside from the usually partisan (and superficial) comments regarding LTC (R) Vindman, is there a lesson to be learned here? We had a sitting US senator holding up promotion for 1000 senior officers to allow for his promotion. Whistleblowing. Polarizing politics and the politicalization of the military seems to be here for the duration. While the retired could easily just take pot shots from Ft. Living Room, here's my question. How can currently serving members truly remain apolitical? In a world where one callus post can end your career, use some judgment if you elect to weigh in. Was he right? Would you have done the same? Was he dead wrong?
Aside from the usually partisan (and superficial) comments regarding LTC (R) Vindman, is there a lesson to be learned here? We had a sitting US senator holding up promotion for 1000 senior officers to allow for his promotion. Whistleblowing. Polarizing politics and the politicalization of the military seems to be here for the duration. While the retired could easily just take pot shots from Ft. Living Room, here's my question. How can currently serving members truly remain apolitical? In a world where one callus post can end your career, use some judgment if you elect to weigh in. Was he right? Would you have done the same? Was he dead wrong?
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It has nothing to do with oath to the Constitution rather than the person who is president. Vindman is an LTC hired to a particular job. The President is his boss. The Constitution also says the President makes foreign policy. LTCs are not mentioned in it nor do they set policy. The President can by 100% wrong, but we do it his way because he is the decision maker. This guy set the Army up to ridicule and was used as a political pawn by others trying to belittle one person. No matter which party you are or whether you like this guy or not, it was not within the LTC's job description. He should have been disciplined, but he got away scot free. He'll be well compensated by the other side.
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COL Peter Rzeminski
SPC Michael Tierney - It is interesting see the number of military personnel who find it hard to just follow/understand the regs.; instead of voicing opinions that would get them article 15'd or court marshalled if they were still in the service. I repeat myself: The Pentagon is in violation of its duty to follow the law as set out by congress (Hyde Amendment). And yes, I know how the system works at the General grade levels. If I had to wait for my promotion to general (never happened; didn't take the War College) then I would wait. You go with the system. or you don't survive 33 years in the service. "It would be best if a woman who has experience with the military policies would comment. As usual, old white guys are trying to determine what women should do." What does the sex of a military person have to do with anything? Old white guys (you racist), can easily understand the Hyde Amendment, as can young females (of any race)
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SPC Michael Tierney
Old white guy Hyde accomplished his religious goal to prevent women from getting an abortion on base. So, DoD has implemented a plan for them to get assistance with the necessary travel and time costs related to getting an abortion. Certainly seems fare to me. Obviously you were such an expert that you got passeed over for promotion enough times that you had to get out. Hiding behind a desk for 33 years isn't anything to brag about.
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LTC Wayne Dandridge
Colonel, we officers are not robots. We do not follow illegal orders and we are duty bound to report crimes.
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Cpl Randy Owen
Flashbacks of Oliver North. Whats legal, whats illegal? History is strewn with the names of people who thought they were doing what was right, only to be second guessed by someone else down the road of time.
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The LTC was right to report his concern. However, what transpired was a circus that placed the military in the middle of a political firestorm. The LTC should immediately been removed from his position and sent back to the Pentagon for his and the Army’s protection. As a service member, working in that political arena, you have to be cognizant of your actions and how they effect DOD, your service, and you. His supervisor shouldn’t have waited for the White House to make the move. That office should have made the move immediately. Perception is reality and once he lost the perception of being apolitical he was of no use to the Nation in that position. If you are going to fall on your sward and expect to get bloodied. The Senator was wrong to not understand how punishing innocent service members to make a political point and to not understand why the LTC has to be removed. She displayed exactly the opposite of leadership and I for one am glad she is no longer in our formation. Every rotten apple creates more rotten apples. She has terrible leadership, if you can even call it that, qualities. She proved to be a military user, not a defender.
The LTC was right to report his concern. However, what transpired was a circus that placed the military in the middle of a political firestorm. The LTC should immediately been removed from his position and sent back to the Pentagon for his and the Army’s protection. As a service member, working in that political arena, you have to be cognizant of your actions and how they effect DOD, your service, and you. His supervisor shouldn’t have waited for the White House to make the move. That office should have made the move immediately. Perception is reality and once he lost the perception of being apolitical he was of no use to the Nation in that position. If you are going to fall on your sward and expect to get bloodied. The Senator was wrong to not understand how punishing innocent service members to make a political point and to not understand why the LTC has to be removed. She displayed exactly the opposite of leadership and I for one am glad she is no longer in our formation. Every rotten apple creates more rotten apples. She has terrible leadership, if you can even call it that, qualities. She proved to be a military user, not a defender.
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MSgt Mark Young
SGT Debra Jahnel
When the only thing you have is third and fourth party gossip?
Investigate to be sure Get the facts before making accusations.
When the only thing you have is third and fourth party gossip?
Investigate to be sure Get the facts before making accusations.
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Lt Col Roger Helbig
MSgt Mark Young - That's not true - Vindman was one of those listening to the call. Why is this 2019 stuff still being debated here?
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MSgt Mark Young
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Why is it being debated? Because all the "conspiracy theories" about Hunter Biden and the Biden crime family are being proven true. Part of Vindman's testimony was third hand gossip which came to light during his testimony. I listened LTC Vindman's testimony. That is why his assertion that HE was the one who set policy has stuck in my mind
His main focus was how inappropriate it was to attempt to link an investigation into criminal actives with aid to Ukraine and yet there is video of Biden bragging about blackmailing Ukraine to fire a prosecutor that was going after the company that Hunter "worked for" .
Why is blackmailing a country to stop investigation ok for Democrats But supposedly the same thing not for Republicans.
BTW. Obama was obligated to send military to Ukraine when Russia invaded the first time but no weapons were sent Trump sent weapons BEFORE and AFTER the call. There was a pause while grant compliance was verified but shipment of weapons resumed after the check was made
We need to purge corrupt politicians from our government.
That is why this 2019 stuff is still debated.
Why is it being debated? Because all the "conspiracy theories" about Hunter Biden and the Biden crime family are being proven true. Part of Vindman's testimony was third hand gossip which came to light during his testimony. I listened LTC Vindman's testimony. That is why his assertion that HE was the one who set policy has stuck in my mind
His main focus was how inappropriate it was to attempt to link an investigation into criminal actives with aid to Ukraine and yet there is video of Biden bragging about blackmailing Ukraine to fire a prosecutor that was going after the company that Hunter "worked for" .
Why is blackmailing a country to stop investigation ok for Democrats But supposedly the same thing not for Republicans.
BTW. Obama was obligated to send military to Ukraine when Russia invaded the first time but no weapons were sent Trump sent weapons BEFORE and AFTER the call. There was a pause while grant compliance was verified but shipment of weapons resumed after the check was made
We need to purge corrupt politicians from our government.
That is why this 2019 stuff is still debated.
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SGT Debra Jahnel Proud to serve with the likes of you, SGT Jahnel. Country before Party.
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Our oath is to the Constitution, not an individual. Show me one place in that oath that says we have to cover up for the CinC. This LTC was honoring his oath and this nation. Trump caused his poor treatment.
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MSgt Mark Young
You are ignorant of the facts. LTC Vman had a long history of poor work. He repeated gossip and here say. He did not honor his oath and any poor treatment was well deserved.
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MSgt Michael Ivey
Your comment couldn’t be further from the truth. The oath says and I quote, The President of The United States and the Orders of the Officers appointed over me! Now we all should understand that means “lawful” orders! Vindman was and is a Despicable “officer” who should have been charged, and if convicted, sentenced to prison with loss of all benefits. The demoncRATs/Marxist/communists running the congress, DOD, and the Service branches need to be weeded out. They are of no use to the country!
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