Posted on Oct 17, 2015
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My unit will be conducting a EIB in March and I recently seen an article about a possible MIB (master infantry badge) I like the idea, because both cib and EIB are in the same class, also for efmb and cmb for the medical field. What are your thoughts?
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SFC William Linnell
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Doesn't surprise me. It seems that the Army caters to the Infantry mafia. They have badges for everything. I too have seen the misuse of the CIB during Desert Storm. Our mortar team was in the rear of back towards the mechanics. Ground war ended and they all were pinned with the CIB. They never took fire or firing at the enemy. I haven't ran across anything on this topic. The EIB and CIB is right with the CIB having Stars added for multiple wars. CIB for Desert Storm then a star for being back for Iraq Enduring Freedom or Afghanistan.
I feel....no that's not....deep in my soul, the Armor Branch, Scouts, Combat Engineers and maybe Artillery being combat arms, shout have their own Excellence In and Combat Badge. Armor since the inception of Tanks, have proven their combat effectiveness in multiple wars. WWII being the greatest display of Shoot, Move and Engage the Enemy. Vietnam saw the highest casualty rate of Armor crewmen. 82nd even have tankers for combat readiness when they deployed. The Cold War in Germany, tankers showed great effect in combat training to take on the USSR if they decided to be froggy. Desert Storm, the 20 year war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Tankers ended up being door kickers, operating outside their MOS. Tankers have been the deciding factor in multiple wars and numerous battles.
The Armor branch, 19K & 19D, has had their own Combat Armor Badge approved by Congress but....Armor senior officers continuously shoot it down for wear bc it will cheapen the CIB and the Infantry Mafia won't allow it. Armor has a program for tankers called the Excellence in Armor program but higher doesn't make it a priority or something of great value. Armor has a Tank Commander specialty test, TCC (Tank Commander Course). And again, Armor Branch Commanders don't make any of this a high recognition achievement for Armor crew members. All this should be as much of a high recognition as the Infantry EIB and other skills. Another thankless special identifier is the Armor and Bradley Master Gunner Course. They should be awarded with that skill identifier like the Drill Sergeant badge, recruiting badge.
Last one. I promise. The Combat Adviser mission. Those that went thru the course then deployed to either Iraq or Afghanistan, then as small teams, trained and conducted operations with either of the National Armies, National Police or Border Patrol, should have approved to wear a Combat Adviser tab. They were operating like the SF ODA teams usually do, Training /mentoring/instructing, to be able to conduct combat operations on their own. And a lot of those teams took fire and returned it. They had mortars, rockets and heavy machine guns, RPGs, IEDs and VBIDs fire at them.
EHHhhh.....what do I know? I'm just a retired old worn out war horse who doesn't have a a say in matters. TANKERS RULE!!! :)
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1SG(P) Dean Mcbride (MPER) (SPHR)
1SG(P) Dean Mcbride (MPER) (SPHR)
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What you are wanting has already been approved... The Combat Action Badge (CAB) is a United States military award given to soldiers of the U.S. Army of any rank and who are not members of an infantry, special forces, or medical MOS, for being "present and actively engaging or being engaged by the enemy and performing satisfactorily in accordance with prescribed rules of engagement" at any point in time after 18 September 2001. I don't know how you missed knowing about it... Your comment about the Infantry Mafia is not something I would normally hear from a senior NCO who should know about other "recognition means for those who are not Infantry". There is even a counterpart to the EIB -- Expert Soldier Badge. Check out Wikipedia for a complete list of awards and badges available for infantry and non-infantry. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badges_of_the_United_States_Army
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SFC William Linnell
SFC William Linnell
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1SG(P) Dean Mcbride (MPER) (SPHR) Yes I am fully aware of the Combat Action Badge. Along with the new Expert Soldier Badge. I do know, as I explained 1SG, the things that tankers can receive which at the time was only for promotion points. It's also not a case of Have and Have nots. If Combat arms was easy, everyone would be but they aren't which is the reason for Combat arms to be awarded MOS specific badges. Anyhow, not my game any longer.
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SFC Bob Kreidler
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If what read here is the new army no one could earn it because they couldn't do it I got mine out of over 900 going for it 15 got it
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PO2 Timothy Lane
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There should be a advance combat metal ribbon. But the problem is the military is playing this lets make everyone happen and give awards out like water. The Metals and ribbons should be given as the award are written. In my thinking as a vet tje advance combat metal ribbon should help someone advance. They have the combat experience and that is what the Army does. But trying please all is hurting the miliatary. Ask the Military top brass there at fault for allowing it to happen.
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SGT Jerry Garner
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The CIB receiver has my respect because of their willingness to risk life and limb for country. The EIB however is a tested knowledge of abilities. I would never wear a CIB instead of the EIB but I do believe you could have more confidence in a soldiers ability with the EIB. That being said an MIB sounds like it would show professionalism better than the EIB. So being an old Olive Drab uniform wearer, and seeing todays Army a little more motivation to prove oneself sounds like a no fail opportunity as long as that not just given away.
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1SG(P) Dean Mcbride (MPER) (SPHR)
1SG(P) Dean Mcbride (MPER) (SPHR)
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NO on the MIB! What next... Master Combat Medic, Master Combat Action Badge. If these are approved, we can expect a cry for a Senior Masters Badge of all types!
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SPC Curtis Cobb
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I earned my EIB (on my second attempt), but I've never heard of the MIB; if s such an award existed it had to have been decades ago, and therefore long before my time.
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1SG(P) Dean Mcbride (MPER) (SPHR)
1SG(P) Dean Mcbride (MPER) (SPHR)
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@SPC Curtis Cobb Master combat badges
In late 2024 it was reported that "master combat badges" would debut in Spring 2025; the Master Infantryman Badge, Master Medical Badge, and Master Soldier Badge. The badges would represent those who have earned both a combat badge (CIB, CMB, or CAB) and an expert badge (EIB, EFMB, or ESB). The proposed "master badges" are alleged to appear identical to their respective combat badges, replacing the silver wreaths on the full-color metal badges with gold wreaths; subdued pin-on badges and sew-on badges would see their black wreaths also replaced with gold. Soldiers that had earned a combat badge but a "separate" expert badge (a CIB and an EFMB, for example) would wear the master badge aligning with their combat badge (in the case of a CIB and an EFMB, the awardee would wear the Master Infantryman Badge). As of February 2025, no official announcement has been made concerning the badges.[8][9]
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SSG Ken Potts
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I think you're wrong when you say the badges are overrated. Most medics receive a CMB posthumously.
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CPT Robert Swain
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We don't need am MIB!
For award of the CIB a Soldier must meet the following three requirements: (1) Be an infantryman satisfactorily performing infantry duties. (2) Assigned to an infantry unit during such time as the unit is engaged in active ground combat. (3) Actively participate in such ground combat.
I was an Infantry officer in command of an infantry platoon in Vietnam for 30 minutes after being shot down and the PLT LDR becam incapable of making a decision. Shot by a machine gun three times, and given a Silver Star for my actions that day. I was recommeded 4 times for the CIB but did not get it as I was not ASSIGNED to an Infantry unit.
I do have the EIB for which only 15% of people taking the test. get!
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LTC Pete Moore
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no need.
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SGT Ruben Lozada
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Good afternoon SSG (Join to see). Excellent post. Thank You for sharing this. I don't think this is a good concept. Being that thereis already an EIB and CIB that exist. I don't feel the 11Bravo community needs to worry about another badge. One excellent response that I've seen posted was to bring back the SQT thing. I've heard about it, but haven't actually seen it.
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The simple fact is that you have more than a few Infantrymen that got their CIB and don't have their EIB. They don't want it and don't try to get it. That attitude translates to junior Soldiers in their organization. The MIB would distinguish those that have been awarded both. I don't really see what the problem is. I'm seeing an awful lot of negative feedback from personnel that it wouldn't apply to anyway.
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I know where you're coming from. I'm definitely in favor of keeping the EIB free from the badge collecting and ticket punching side of the army that we've all seen. It's the mark of a professional and the more Soldiers that earn it, Infantry or not, the better the force is overall. Obviously anyone that has earned it should naturally have better promotion prospects, but I agree that it should never be viewed in a way that separates it from the standard of competency that it's supposed to represent. I think army senior leadership needs to ask itself some questions. Does the army want known and easily identifiable experts in skill level 1 Infantry tasks distributed throughout the force? If not, why not? If so, how will they do this?
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SSG Warren Swan
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SFC (Join to see) - for asking a question that makes sense, you have duty driver and will be teaching sergeants majors the merits of AR 600-9 and 670-1. Stop making sense
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Based on some of the comments I'm seeing... I was under the impression that only Infantry could obtain an EIB so it wouldn't matter would it?
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SGT Ruben Lozada
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SFC (Join to see). Excellent res, and I fully concur with You.
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