Posted on Dec 21, 2018
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Under Article 2 of the UCMJ, the Army maintains court-martial jurisdiction over retired personnel. Army Regulation 27-10, Military Justice, states “Retired members of a regular component of the Armed Forces who are entitled to pay are subject to the provisions of the UCMJ.
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LTC Gary Earls
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So the FBI can lie to you and not be punished but if you lie to the FBI then you go to jail. Something is wrong here.
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If your convicted if a felony, then yes you should be stripped of all rank and privilege.
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LTC Gary Earls That's just pure stupidity on Flynn's part to believe that. The report may have been finished several months later, but you can be certain they where taking notes the whole time.
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SSG Douglas Shaffer
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Law enforcement can lie to trip up those being questioned of their involvement, if you tell want to lie to withhold the truth then you're wrong, if you are not involved in wrongdoing then you have nothing to lie about.
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Sgt Ed Allen
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I think he should continue to receive his pay. He served honorably for his entire time of service. The outdated ability for the military to be able to court-martial a retired veteran is long past. Once out of the service it should end. The only time that they should be able to do so is IF it relates to military matters.
The only reason he pled guilty was the government was making threats about going after his son.
They had already bled him dry financially.
He lost his house and any monies he had.
The supposed crime was after he had retired.

Think about this. I know somebody who has lost his right to vote and his right to self-defense under the 2nd Amendment because he missed a movement while in the Army. He had a 12-month-old child at home. His trashy wife was out partying and doing drugs. He had no family in the area to watch his child. No backup for caring for his daughter. When he explained the situation to his commanding officer, the commanding officer threw the book at him and brought him up on charges and convicted him. Once convicted, he had a felony on his record for life. All of this, and he was still permitted to remain on active duty to the end of his contract.

The military should focus on what is right. Not what is ONLY in the UCMJ. Too many good men have been willing to give their lives for our country and had their lives ruined by doing so due to the pettiness of persons in power.

In Gen Flynns case, he did not commit an actual crime. His supposed crime was lying to the FBI, who routinely lies to congress and the American people. That should not be a felony.
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MAJ Ken Landgren
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I say leave his military pension alone if his infractions did not occur in service to the military. They are unrelated.
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MAJ Ken Landgren
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SFC (Join to see) - I don't care. I gave my opinion. I don't like double jeopardy.
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MAJ Ken Landgren Sir, it's not double jeopardy when you know the rules. The rules where not changed on him. He played a stupid game and won a stupid prize. Hubris kills, and it certainly bite him hard. He's not the first to lose a military pension due to criminal activity after retirement, just more promenant. His value to society is no greater then the lowest Private. A bit less accually as an E-1 Private has the greater ROI potential.
As an aside, people who get themselves into trouble that deep tend to have been dabbling in shady business for a while. Perhaps his actions while still commissioned need a bit of scrutiny.
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MAJ Ken Landgren
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SFC (Join to see) - I don't like it when a SM is hammered by civilian and military authorities.
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PO1 Kevin Dougherty To he only needs to mirandized once. If they hadn't, his lawyers would have jumped on that immediately.
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SGT Lou Meza
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I'm of the opinion that Gen. Flynn should not be punished twice for the same offense.
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SSG Rob Lawrence
SSG Rob Lawrence
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Using your analysis, I am guessing you are against someone who gets a DWI and pays a civilian fine, should not get punished under the UCMJ then too. When you live by two different codes, you should be punished under both codes in my book. When you swear the oath, you voluntarily accept the fact that you are subject to both sets of rules.
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SSG Rob Lawrence
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS When you raise your right hand, you voluntarily subject yourself to two sets of rules.
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SSG Rob Lawrence
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SSgt Bill Evans His trial judge called him a traitor. His punishment was no where near what a traitor should receive.
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PO3 Edward Riddle
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SSG Rob Lawrence - So what does that mean? Look at who the judge was. A communist.
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