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Got an NCO who thinks he can wear his Leather Jacket with his ACU's. He is known to be a wise guy, so I just wanted to get some clarification since it's not stated in AR 670-1 about mixing civilian clothing items while on duty. He tried to tell me that as long as the temperature is below a certain temperature, then it is authorized. Are you freakin kidding me? LOL. I asked to see the reg.
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Here is the best reference to the Regulation that I can find in AR 670-1:
Pay particular attention to section F
3–9. Civilian clothing
a. Civilian clothing is authorized for wear when off duty, unless the wear is prohibited by the senior commander.
Commanders down to unit level may restrict the wear of civilian clothes by those Soldiers who have had their pass
privileges revoked. Within the confines of a military base or a DoD installation, civilian clothing will be worn subject
to local regulations.
b. When on duty in civilian clothes or off duty and outside of their personal dwelling, Army personnel will present a
professional image that does not detract from the profession, unless specifically exempted by the commander for
specific mission requirements.
c. Soldiers are associated and identified with the Army in and out of uniform, and when on or off duty. Therefore,
when civilian clothing is worn, Soldiers will ensure that their dress and personal appearance are commensurate with the
high standards traditionally associated with Army service. Commanders are charged with determining and publishing
the local civilian clothing policy. When on a military installation, civilian headgear will be removed indoors in
accordance with established norms.
d. When civilian clothing has been authorized by competent authority for wear in a duty status in lieu of a uniform,
the civilian clothing will be of the same comparable degree of formality as the uniform prescribed for such duty.
Standards of dress and appearance will be conservative and meet the same high standards established for personnel in
uniform.
e. The wear of clothing articles not specifically designed to be normally worn as headgear (for example, bandannas,
do rags) are prohibited while on duty.
f. No part of a prescribed uniform, except those items not exclusively military in character, may be worn with
civilian clothing.
g. Uniform items authorized for wear with civilian clothing by males are restricted to the gold cuff links, studs, tie
bar, mourning band, footwear, socks, gloves, undergarments, black bow-tie, wool scarf, all-weather coat, fleece caps,
and physical training uniforms.
h. Uniform items authorized for wear with civilian clothing by females are restricted to the white shirt without
insignia of grade, undergarments, footwear, gloves, handbag, clutch purse, wool scarf, all-weather coat, fleece caps, and
physical training uniforms.
i. Uniform items that have been declared obsolete may be worn with civilian clothing, provided such items contain
no distinctive insignia or buttons.
Pay particular attention to section F
3–9. Civilian clothing
a. Civilian clothing is authorized for wear when off duty, unless the wear is prohibited by the senior commander.
Commanders down to unit level may restrict the wear of civilian clothes by those Soldiers who have had their pass
privileges revoked. Within the confines of a military base or a DoD installation, civilian clothing will be worn subject
to local regulations.
b. When on duty in civilian clothes or off duty and outside of their personal dwelling, Army personnel will present a
professional image that does not detract from the profession, unless specifically exempted by the commander for
specific mission requirements.
c. Soldiers are associated and identified with the Army in and out of uniform, and when on or off duty. Therefore,
when civilian clothing is worn, Soldiers will ensure that their dress and personal appearance are commensurate with the
high standards traditionally associated with Army service. Commanders are charged with determining and publishing
the local civilian clothing policy. When on a military installation, civilian headgear will be removed indoors in
accordance with established norms.
d. When civilian clothing has been authorized by competent authority for wear in a duty status in lieu of a uniform,
the civilian clothing will be of the same comparable degree of formality as the uniform prescribed for such duty.
Standards of dress and appearance will be conservative and meet the same high standards established for personnel in
uniform.
e. The wear of clothing articles not specifically designed to be normally worn as headgear (for example, bandannas,
do rags) are prohibited while on duty.
f. No part of a prescribed uniform, except those items not exclusively military in character, may be worn with
civilian clothing.
g. Uniform items authorized for wear with civilian clothing by males are restricted to the gold cuff links, studs, tie
bar, mourning band, footwear, socks, gloves, undergarments, black bow-tie, wool scarf, all-weather coat, fleece caps,
and physical training uniforms.
h. Uniform items authorized for wear with civilian clothing by females are restricted to the white shirt without
insignia of grade, undergarments, footwear, gloves, handbag, clutch purse, wool scarf, all-weather coat, fleece caps, and
physical training uniforms.
i. Uniform items that have been declared obsolete may be worn with civilian clothing, provided such items contain
no distinctive insignia or buttons.
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The only exception I know of is "Personal Protective Gear" for Motorcycle Riding (which is likely USMC specific), which only applies while on the bike.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS - I used to get so many weird looks when I wore my ACU field jacket. That thing beats Gortex ECWCS any day.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
SGT (Join to see) - Gortex is designed for Wind & Water not "cold." Field Jacket is designed for Cold, but won't protect against Water & Wind. I used to be a North Face dealer, and we had to teach government buyers to purchase both a "shell" (Gortex) and a "liner" (jacket).
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That's the only occasion it would be authorized. Even then, technically when you get off the bike, you take off the jacket. Immediately. You don't walk into the PX wearing the jacket. You take it off, stow it or carry it.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
COL (Join to see) - USMC policy was identical, and part of the base rider safety course.
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About the only time you are allowed to wear a leather jacket with ACU's on is if it's protective riding leathers worn when you are riding a motorcycle. But that is usually a post specific policy.
And no, you are issued cold weather gear for a reason........
And no, you are issued cold weather gear for a reason........
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No, that is not authorized.
But it got me to thinking. Has the Soldier been issued gear appropriate for the weather? Too often, this item slips through the cracks. If the answer is no, hook him up with supply and get him squared away.
If the answer is that he has been issued appropriate gear, than this is willful and needs to be dealt with fairly aggressively in order to keep his disdain for the uniform from spreading.
But it got me to thinking. Has the Soldier been issued gear appropriate for the weather? Too often, this item slips through the cracks. If the answer is no, hook him up with supply and get him squared away.
If the answer is that he has been issued appropriate gear, than this is willful and needs to be dealt with fairly aggressively in order to keep his disdain for the uniform from spreading.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
This jives with a statement I made in response to my post. I've seen guys "go without" rather than be the one to bring up there is a "hole in the system." We tend to collectively avoid being the squeaky wheel, but sometimes it takes someone bucking the system to point out there is something actually broken.
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LTC Paul Labrador
Top, isn't basic cold weather gear a part of a Soldier's clothing bag? I.e. the required stuff that the Army gives you money to buy and maintain? Everywhere I've been, I've been issued either a cold weather jacked or Gortex Parka from CIF. And that's even me being an officer and required to purchase uniforms on my own.
Besides, the only folks in the military who get issued leather jackets (or at least used to) were USAF aircrews. Navy may have once upon a time too, but Army hasn't since the USAAF split off back in the late 40's.
Besides, the only folks in the military who get issued leather jackets (or at least used to) were USAF aircrews. Navy may have once upon a time too, but Army hasn't since the USAAF split off back in the late 40's.
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LTC Paul Labrador - Not necessarily, sir. The ECWCS does not get issued to everyone, and in the USAR (where I'm at) it is a deliberate decision to do a needs statement and get your Soldiers in to draw kit.
Even in a unit where this gear is issued routinely, this kind of thing can fall through the cracks without a good sponsorship and in-processing checklist.
Before I light the guy up, I want to know if I let him down by not getting him the gear he needs.
Even in a unit where this gear is issued routinely, this kind of thing can fall through the cracks without a good sponsorship and in-processing checklist.
Before I light the guy up, I want to know if I let him down by not getting him the gear he needs.
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I would start the paperwork trail. As an NCO this individual needs to know the regs and that they apply to him.
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Look in the 670-1, it explains what is authorized as a component of each type of uniform in detail what is an authorized accessory. Mine is old but I can't imagine it having changing too much, under ACUs for instance the authorized accessories list says nothing about leather jackets , so you wouldn't catch me dead even as an old geezer at a parade or authorized veterans function wearing something that isn't on the list.
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"...as long as the temperature is below a certain temperature, then it is authorized..." I am so excited that this is now our approach to the regs. I can finally wear my boots-with-the-fur in my ABUs when the weather dips down.
What say you, KB? CSM (Join to see)
What say you, KB? CSM (Join to see)
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BLUF: HE IS WRONG
AR 670-1
3–7. Required or prohibited wearing of the Army uniform
e. Wearing a combination of civilian and military clothing is prohibited, unless prescribed in this regulation or directed by the Secretary of the Army.
3–9. Civilian clothing
f. No part of a prescribed uniform, except those items not exclusively military in character, may be worn with civilian clothing.
AR 670-1
3–7. Required or prohibited wearing of the Army uniform
e. Wearing a combination of civilian and military clothing is prohibited, unless prescribed in this regulation or directed by the Secretary of the Army.
3–9. Civilian clothing
f. No part of a prescribed uniform, except those items not exclusively military in character, may be worn with civilian clothing.
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