Posted on Oct 21, 2014
"Muslims Demand Army Change Its Dress Code To Include Turbans And Beards"
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What do you think about this? I will post my opinion after we rack up a few from some other members.
Posted 11 y ago
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Why not for Orthodox Jews as well (along with braids and yarmulke)? Can a Hindi go without footwear? Why are we suddenly concerned with Muslims when we weren't for anyone else. Isn't that the definition of favoring one over others?
I think Lt Loomis sated this beautifully. Live and let live, but if you're going to join an organization with a uniform, wear the uniform.
I think Lt Loomis sated this beautifully. Live and let live, but if you're going to join an organization with a uniform, wear the uniform.
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At what point is it acceptable to stop caring for low life people that have no right to be here in the first place. I hate the "tolerance" movement, and furthermore I'm getting tired of working hard for the lazy people to live at a better standard than I can provide myself. I wish people would open their eyes and wake up and realize this path CAN NOT continue at this pace.
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I was going to say "In before people don't even read the article or study the context.", but I see I missed that. I don't get why everyone gets so bent out of shape over Sikh soldiers (I think the guy depicted was a dentist based on the original article years ago) wanting to serve. This was shot down when someone said that Muslims don't actually require beards. Muslims can shave like everyone else, is everyone happy now?
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And the Department of Defense wonders how things like the shootings in Texas happened. This regulation had to of been brought about due to some Politicians needing votes. The Military needs to get as far away from politics as possible. And they need to do it soon. Order and Discipline, not beards and turbans, need to be worried about. If someone feels the need to wear a turban then let them, after you boot them out. That will serve the politicians well on two fronts. One is the military not having to spend the money on more uniform changes and two, reduction in force size.
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Send them through the confidence chamber with a beard. Even Hitler learned that lesson with a little bit of mustard.
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SGM Robin Johnson
You are replying to a post that is so misleading as to be false. No religious group 'demanded' anything. No regulations were changed. The DOD published a clarification of expectations about religious accommodations in January 2014. The Army already met those standard. The Soldiers pictured are not Muslim, they are Sikh and have been serving for several years without any issues, including wearing protective gear. You need to learn the regulations, policies, and procedures regarding uniforms and religious accommodations well enough to notice when someone is passing on bad information, especially when they have been basically unchanged for years. Even the most junior Soldier could have checked this out on Snopes. http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/armyturban.asp
Did Muslims demand the U.S. Army change its dress code to allow turbans and beards?
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SGT Michael Glenn
SGM Johnson...these are your own words.... Once you are in uniform you are supposed to adhere to your military service values. What value does tearing down another service member for their religious beliefs fall under? Shame on all of you who have done so.... I say shame on you !!!! These people are no fools, they have seen what Muslims have done to this country, or was it a lie from YOUR chief of staff about what happened on 9/11??? You will set there and be all self righteous about people accepting a race of people who have been raised to hate the western devils as they call us?? A culture who teaches their babies to be come terrorists in the name of their god, and will defend actions that rob Americans from their practice of their religion in schools, military and other public places??? you will defend a man who refuses to have the American flag at his back when he talks to the American people??? This is a two sided blade in which you travel on, for the very same people who see all of these NON CONFORMING military personal also see you defending terrorists. It is those people I shall trust when your chief of staff throws this country against itself in his attempts to gain permanent control over this country like he has so openly admitted time and time again. Tell all of the loved ones who have had family members die at the hands of these terrorists that they should be ashamed of themselves as well while your at it.IF muslims are such a good people why are you not with them in that country??? If they are such good people why have we deployed our troops to fight them???
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SGT Michael Glenn
These people that claim to be Ameican muslims should be ashamed of themselves as some left their country because they claimed they did not agree with the way of their people,but yet come here and trow their religion at us and expect us to welcome them with open arms, while their cousin or uncle blows people up in this country?? shame on who???????
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Some of you folks have correctly identified this article as being satirical in nature. I posted this because I was interested in seeing what the RP community thought about the subject, be it real or not. I said I would give my opinion, and I will still do that regardless of the source material.
First off, I think most of us correctly identified the man in the picture as a Sikh, not a Muslim (They are not even remotely similar). For those of you who don't know the difference, here is a really interesting article on it: http://www.oafnation.com/the-op/2014/3/30/sikhs-vs-Muslims-know-the-difference *It even has the same Troop in the picture.
My take on religious accommodations of dress while in uniform is this: if you make any changes for one faith, you have to make changes for them all. Because of this, I don't think it's practical to accommodate this sort of request; though we do on a case-by-case basis as SGM Robin Johnson correctly pointed out (Though I don't appreciate the down-vote!!). Anyways, I am a Pastafarian and I don't intend on petitioning the Army to let me wear a colander on my head when taking my CAC card photo. That's an extreme example of a fake religion, but there are real religious requests out there that just aren't practical.
We don't need to have the same grooming standards we had post-WWI concerning facial hair due to the modern pro-mask working over a beard so I think that part of the reg should be changed. Other than that, handling this on a case-by-case basis is appropriate rather than a widespread change to the regulation.
First off, I think most of us correctly identified the man in the picture as a Sikh, not a Muslim (They are not even remotely similar). For those of you who don't know the difference, here is a really interesting article on it: http://www.oafnation.com/the-op/2014/3/30/sikhs-vs-Muslims-know-the-difference *It even has the same Troop in the picture.
My take on religious accommodations of dress while in uniform is this: if you make any changes for one faith, you have to make changes for them all. Because of this, I don't think it's practical to accommodate this sort of request; though we do on a case-by-case basis as SGM Robin Johnson correctly pointed out (Though I don't appreciate the down-vote!!). Anyways, I am a Pastafarian and I don't intend on petitioning the Army to let me wear a colander on my head when taking my CAC card photo. That's an extreme example of a fake religion, but there are real religious requests out there that just aren't practical.
We don't need to have the same grooming standards we had post-WWI concerning facial hair due to the modern pro-mask working over a beard so I think that part of the reg should be changed. Other than that, handling this on a case-by-case basis is appropriate rather than a widespread change to the regulation.
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CW2 Jonathan Kantor
I didn't know the article had been around before. It was posted the day I saw it and posted it here so I imagine someone reposted it or something. I put it up to stimulate discussion and see what people thought about it. My posting a satirical article doesn't contribute to prejudice, it just shined a light on it. Most people who see this sort of thing take it at face value and post accordingly. Personally, I was offended by the article because it was not well written, wasn't cited, and clearly shows a picture of a Sikh, not a Muslim man. This was more of a social experiment than anything else, and I was not surprised by the results. Still, I enjoy and good debate and see no issue with bringing this one up here.
Your comment seems to imply that you are ok with people having these bigoted and prejudicial feelings so long as they don't express them. I think that people should be better informed about these things so that they aren't prejudiced towards things/people they don't understand.
As far as spreading misinformation goes, folks shouldn't take anything they see on the Internet at face value anymore. How many Duffelblog articles have you seen posted on here that get even more outrage from a community who should know better?
Your comment seems to imply that you are ok with people having these bigoted and prejudicial feelings so long as they don't express them. I think that people should be better informed about these things so that they aren't prejudiced towards things/people they don't understand.
As far as spreading misinformation goes, folks shouldn't take anything they see on the Internet at face value anymore. How many Duffelblog articles have you seen posted on here that get even more outrage from a community who should know better?
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CPT Steven Harder
Well Chief, you sure shined a light on the ignorance and uninformed within the ranks. I've fought the battle against this story on 3 difference sites in the last week, as well as another site a while ago. The continued spreading of propaganda on non-satirical sites, without identifying it as such, continues the building of hatred, distrust, and bigotry, amongst the ignorant/uninformed. That's is exactly what the sites I've seen, that have posted this story.
With all due respect Chief, you've probably done more of a dis-service to your fellow soldiers then you know . . . disseminating propaganda amongst your fellow troops is never an acceptable thing.
THAT is why I gave you the down vote.
With all due respect Chief, you've probably done more of a dis-service to your fellow soldiers then you know . . . disseminating propaganda amongst your fellow troops is never an acceptable thing.
THAT is why I gave you the down vote.
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SGM Robin Johnson
Chief, if you only wanted to stimulate discussion and do not want to spread propaganda or misinformation, please edit or amend your original post to correctly identify the article as satire, state the correct information, and identify your purpose in posting the satirical article as well as any conclusions you reached (since you did this to see what people thought.) Otherwise it will just continue to contribute to the cesspool of bigotry. It isn't that I want it in hiding - I just don't see a reason to hand it a weapon and a stage. You supplied misinformation and a forum. It is now your responsibility, Sir, and you should be accountable for that.
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PO2 Gerry Tandberg
SMG Johnson is correct in stating Sikh's are NOT Muslim's. The discussion was "Muslims Demand Army Change Its Dress Code To Include Turbans And Beards". The original posted photo was indeed a Sikh gentlemen's turbine, and I should have picked up on that. With that acknowledgement, my opinion and comments remain unchanged.
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COL (Join to see) For the next two years our standards will be assiduously assaulted by social reformers whose aim is not to unify but draw a knife and cleanly cut away at the fabric of our services and for us to acquiesce to stupidity and insolent disregard for the military. This cannot happen! Not now, not ever. In two years or so, we will do what President Reagan did for the morale of this country and not a bunch of silliness that is going on now.
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