Posted on Aug 16, 2017
My son is Army NG & in AIT. He failed the run by 5 sec. An NCO said he was going to recommend that he be chaptered. Can this be prevented?
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Ma'am, as a current AIT XO, I will say that no commander worth his/her salt would want to chapter a Soldier who is only failing the run by five seconds. If the Soldier fails two record APFTs, chapter paperwork is initiated. However, we continue to work with the Soldier to pass the APFT. For example, my company conducts remedial PT six days per week. If the Soldier passes the APFT, the flag is lifted and the chapter process completely eliminated. The AIT company commander has the discretion to keep a Soldier seven days after the scheduled graduation to provide the Soldier an additional opportunity to pass the APFT, and the battalion commander can grant up to 2 weeks post graduation to pass the APFT. If the Soldier fails to pass after that time frame, the Soldier could potentially be a "restart." (Please reference TRADOC 350-6, Paragraph 5-22 for further information.) Additionally, the National Guard and Reserves are generally hurting for personnel, so the Guard/Reserve Liaisons will fight for their Soldiers to graduate if at all possible. One final caveat would be that patterns of misconduct (e.g., disrespect towards NCOs, failure to report to formation, etc.) in conjunction with less-than-stellar PT abilities may be the rationale for a zealous chapter attempt.
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SGM Erik Marquez
Becky Furniss - Ok so there is time for a follow up APFT, and its HIGHLY likely he will be given one unless there is some negative attitude on his part (I do NOT read that at all from your post, just mentioned it, as if the leadership was looking for a way to rid them selfs of a problem SM, this would be an easy way to do it)
So if he shows improvement in the daily APFT sessions, if he shows the will and desire to to improve, and there is no negative issues in the backgound, I have never met the training CofC that would not allow the SM to continue. And its as simple as this..If the CofC is doing the job well, they are looking for every chance to help an SM achieve the goal of graduation.
If the CofC is lazy and doing the lest work possible to get by...its still less work for them to let the SM stay and try to pass the APFT and graduate... I don't wish that type of C of C on any SM, but just saying it does happen, and in this case works to your sons advantage.
All that said.... When i was a DS at Fort Jackson, I had a few "tough guy" problem children over my three years...Some decided they want ed to stay, a few did not.... But I will always remember the couple that straightened up the fasted, who had some of the worst attitude.
One was a local SC born and raised young man that was sure he was tougher then all and had to do only what he wanted, when he wanted it.
I called his home of record, and spoke to his mother, telling her her son was not doing well, and likely wold be involuntarily separated with a general discharge and a buss ticket home... She was very polite and understanding, asked if she might meet with her son the coming Sunday for a chat to see if she could help him see the way......lol That Sunday she arrived, asked for a privet place she and her son could talk..... The gist of the conversation which pretty much the entire company heard though closed doors was.. You disrespectful little turd, we brought you up better than this, you quit on the Army do not come home, thats it, your on your own, do not call, come by or talk to your brothers or sisters. And if your DS calls me again about you mouthing off or disrespecting him or others I will come down here and slap the stupid out of you...or words to that effect.
I wont say he was the honor graduate that cycle, but i will say he did very well and was an example for others to follow by the time he graduated.
The other one, mom and dad visited... Three went in, not a sound was heard, two came out of the day room, Mom and dad said thanks for the time, you wont have any more problems out of him. They left and a few min later the young man emerged, apologized to me and other drills for his actions and attitude said " I wont tell you I'll do better, but I will show you"
He and I still speak on occasion..
So if he shows improvement in the daily APFT sessions, if he shows the will and desire to to improve, and there is no negative issues in the backgound, I have never met the training CofC that would not allow the SM to continue. And its as simple as this..If the CofC is doing the job well, they are looking for every chance to help an SM achieve the goal of graduation.
If the CofC is lazy and doing the lest work possible to get by...its still less work for them to let the SM stay and try to pass the APFT and graduate... I don't wish that type of C of C on any SM, but just saying it does happen, and in this case works to your sons advantage.
All that said.... When i was a DS at Fort Jackson, I had a few "tough guy" problem children over my three years...Some decided they want ed to stay, a few did not.... But I will always remember the couple that straightened up the fasted, who had some of the worst attitude.
One was a local SC born and raised young man that was sure he was tougher then all and had to do only what he wanted, when he wanted it.
I called his home of record, and spoke to his mother, telling her her son was not doing well, and likely wold be involuntarily separated with a general discharge and a buss ticket home... She was very polite and understanding, asked if she might meet with her son the coming Sunday for a chat to see if she could help him see the way......lol That Sunday she arrived, asked for a privet place she and her son could talk..... The gist of the conversation which pretty much the entire company heard though closed doors was.. You disrespectful little turd, we brought you up better than this, you quit on the Army do not come home, thats it, your on your own, do not call, come by or talk to your brothers or sisters. And if your DS calls me again about you mouthing off or disrespecting him or others I will come down here and slap the stupid out of you...or words to that effect.
I wont say he was the honor graduate that cycle, but i will say he did very well and was an example for others to follow by the time he graduated.
The other one, mom and dad visited... Three went in, not a sound was heard, two came out of the day room, Mom and dad said thanks for the time, you wont have any more problems out of him. They left and a few min later the young man emerged, apologized to me and other drills for his actions and attitude said " I wont tell you I'll do better, but I will show you"
He and I still speak on occasion..
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Becky Furniss
SGM Erik Marquez - He finally got to talk to his Commander this morning. She is going to give him another chance at the APFT and she also sent him to medical to get checked out for the pain he has had in both legs since this last APFT.
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SGM Erik Marquez
SGM Erik Marquez - Well I guess he did
"Becky Furniss 1 mo
HE DID IT !!! And today of all days! 9/11/17 is also the graduation date for his AIT class. Maxed out his sit ups, 67 push ups, 14 minutes flat on the run !"
Tell congrats and DONT QUIT WORKING... Passing is not the end, its the beginning
"Becky Furniss 1 mo
HE DID IT !!! And today of all days! 9/11/17 is also the graduation date for his AIT class. Maxed out his sit ups, 67 push ups, 14 minutes flat on the run !"
Tell congrats and DONT QUIT WORKING... Passing is not the end, its the beginning
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My youngest Son was chaptered out of Basic/OSUT for PT failure, it can happen. The standards there are lower than at their assignment and they will not bend the standard even if it was 1 second. If they proceed with the chapter and he wasn't already recycled then he can attempt to join again at a minimum 6 months later with a waiver. I would say a year later at the earliest because he will have to pass a PT test for the recruiters at the AD standard. This is all depending on if the recruiters want to do the work, is your son worth all that extra effort when they have others that can make the runs etc this will also depend upon if ANY waivers are available. Your son needs to really become a PT ace or he will only run into issues should he make it into a unit. He is not alone from what I am hearing this is happening across the board will many future Soldiers. My Son now is what I call a PT Nazi and he runs like the wind, does 65 Pushups and 70 sit-ups, he is killing me on weekends. Good luck to your son.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
Her son is in AIT right now. I'm pretty sure AIT is the same standard as active duty. Basic I thought was only where it's 50 points in each event to pass.
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SGM Erik Marquez
SFC Kelly Fuerhoff - Once you graduate basic training and move into AIT/OSUT you must score 60 points in each APFT event.
"b. AIT and OSUT (Phase IV-V). Complete the following requirements:
(2) Pass APFT with a minimum of 60 points in each event. "
http://www.tradoc.army.mil/tpubs/regs/tr350-6.pdf
"b. AIT and OSUT (Phase IV-V). Complete the following requirements:
(2) Pass APFT with a minimum of 60 points in each event. "
http://www.tradoc.army.mil/tpubs/regs/tr350-6.pdf
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If it's two consecutive, then they must initiate the chapter, however; I've seen it plenty of times when I was in Korea, that they started the chapter, and within the time it took them to push it up, the soldier completed like 2-3 APFT's, and passed so they stopped the chapter process. It depends on your command if they want to take the speedy route, or not. Best of luck.
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