Posted on Jan 22, 2014
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I wonder how this may effect regulations.

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/22/pentagon-relaxing-rules-on-religious-clothing-facial-hair/

 

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SSG Pete Fleming
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On one hand I agree that there must be standards and a professional appearance... but have you ever looked at Civil War photos? Or images of the British Empire... The hair never seemed to stop them... or... Perhaps that was Custer's real down fall, not arrogance or glory seeking but his long hair!
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SGT Gary Frank
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Tattoo's will be Grandfathered? 

You mean someone will actually need to carry around a "Profile Slip" for their Tattoo?


Good Grief!



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SGT Ben Keen
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What strikes me as "interesting" after reading through this list is #4.  If some of you remember a few weeks ago an article came out saying the Army was going to allow "Religious Beards" and now the new 670-1 is saying Soldiers will be clean shaven on AND off duty.  So which one is it?  Are beards going to be allowed based on your religious beliefs or are you going to be required to shave regardless of what name you use for God?   
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SSG Jason Hoadley
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I can't wait to see the paperwork.. I can think if 2 or 3 troops that will try this, even though their facebook pages are littered with statements and pictures that say and prove otherwise Thats going to be a interesting conversation with the unit commander..
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SFC Robert Trodahl
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Good info MSG, thanks for the post.
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SGT Avionic Special Equipment Repairer
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Good new for those Juggalos serving in the military, LOL!
http://www.duffelblog.com/2014/01/military-juggalo/
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Beards I believe were allowed in the military up to World War I, but with the use of poison gas in battle, and the need for a seal with a gas mask, beards went away in the military.   Classic example - look at any Civil war officer, Grant, Lee, etc.
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SCPO Hospital Corpsman
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There have been some interesting questions about current
trends in the military.  Being retired
for a bit now, I’ve looked back on my retirement ceremony that my brother and
sister of the Chiefs mess had for my sendoff.  I recall them reading they had the watch, and
for all those years I served where I shouldered the orders and traditions laid
before me they were now taking over. Having them tell me that I was relieved,
and they had the watch; what they were really saying is hay ole timer thanks
for your service drop in for a cup of coffee but don’t overstay your welcome.



As I did for my 26 years in the Navy, those sailors I left
that day to take the watch will take the orders of their commanders and apply
them as their own as we did when we were on active duty. I know that they
wonder what us ole timers would’ve done during our service is they all have
been told to make. They will do what we did when told to make change and change
was always something on the horizon during my time in the Navy. Some changes that
came down I liked and others hated and vise a versa.



That’s one of the many things that I liked about being a
Chief. Us Chief would kicked the orders around in the mess and bark about the
un justice of the new orders,  always walking
out that hatch with our covers straight and carried out the orders we were
given.



What do I think about all of these changes that have been placed
upon our current military leadership? I think those men and women will l have
to group together to voice their concerns to their senior leadership, and what
about us? Well we need to write our Congress and Senator’s  and influence our values within our
communities that voted these law makers into office, and find a person that we
can collectively get into office that shares our  values, honor, and since of tradition. I also
think some of us should run for office placing veterans once again in making
decisions that impact military members by having a leader that has stood the
watch and loves our country, believes in what prayer can do for the soul of the
community, the US Flag, and being a American stands for. That what I think
standing on my soap box throwing out my two cents or dimes worth about all of
this change.



Also know this site was setup to network with business
leaders and those on promotion boards. I wonder what are you active duty people
doing to prepare yourself for the job market or you next milestone of your
military career preparing for the next step of your professional life.  What have you done to translate your job into civilian
terms, what certifications have you achieved that carries over into the civilian
market, what level of education have your achieved? Every 24 year old that
works in HR knows that the military offers the best education opportunities and
if you have completed within your first enlistment a technical certification or
associates degree, or if you did 20 years of service you should have at minimum
a Bachelor’s Degree or making significant progress  towards that Goal. Thinking that the School
of hard knocks means you have to knock harder on HR doors to get a shot at an
interview or knock harder at the chance of seeing your career advance without
improving your skills and education.



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Leave your individualism at the door when it comes to military. You volunteer to join. If you don't like how its run, leave.
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Good advice
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SPC(P) Motor Transport Operator
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I agree that the Military as a whole is changing, an it's not all good. I just know that you don't know what anyone brings to the table until they sit at the table. An that's every individual. I've met people that appear to be the best soldier in the world, the ideal soldier, but they are the complete opposite, they are wastrels and we allow them in. I just know at the end of the day as long as they have my 6 and we all can go home he way we left I'm happy.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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Probably for the same reasons the regs had to change after desegregation.
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SSG Hasbun,

Desegregation, I believe is a different story because it affects cohesiveness and team work.
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I understand what your saying SSG, but who are we to go against someone's religion when they want to serve. I don't see it as a issue that will stop them from doing their duty. 

The regs change all the time, the world changes everyday, an we all have to come to the conclusion, the military is a big business. An like all businesses we either adapt and overcome or shutdown. 

I look at all aspects of it, I do not choose sides, but I do care about one thing and one thing only to protect the people of the United States.
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You made a great point, "who are we to go against someone's religion when they want to serve." I agree with that statement, but what will be the limit. Some religions practice polygamy or incest, what I'm trying to say the military needs to be cautious when making these changes.

Note: I do not have no issue with this' I'm just playing devils advocate.
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MAJ Joseph Parker
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1LT Mark O. Read the article. Understand the Pentagon tripping all over itself on this really dumb issue. However, can somebody on RP please tell this old soldier what religion requires body piercings? The text clearly says religious tattoos and body piercings. Is that Reformed Druid? 


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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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And creepy commander yells "Wait you forgot to salute me!" 
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MAJ Joseph Parker
MAJ Joseph Parker
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Let's all go to chapel on Sunday and pray that this organization does not choose to take on the Armed Forces and put one of their people into the service in order to test the new regulation. Sorry, but this may be an occasion even for the atheist RP members to go to chapel! FYI: I have no idea if this picture is of a female or male, although I am 75% sure it is human and probably from California. Is there an anthropologist in the house?
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MAJ Joseph Parker
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SSG Williams: You are correct in that the picture wasn't meant to be taken seriously. However, the organization/religion is real! Google it. And they are actively litigious. However, I think the Army is safe. 2 true and amusing stories:


1. I once got on a plane from Phoenix to SF, wearing a business suit. EVERY other person on the plane looked pretty much like the person in the photo. It was like being in the Twilight Zone! Finally, I asked the person next to me if this was a charter, because I appeared to be out of uniform. She laughed, and said everybody was on the way to a big tattoo and piercing convention in SF. Holy Cow! It was like being in the New Guinea jungle on that plane.

2. Back in the 70's, the Netherland's Army decided to drop ALL haircut regulations. Shortly afterwards an African Head of State came to visit the Netherlands, and the Queen met him at the airport with a military Honor Guard that had long, shaggy hair. The African President looked incredulously at the shaggy soldiers and said "What's this"? The embarrassed Queen apologized for her Army, and quickly ushered the insulted African President away in her limousine.

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The Pro-Mask will not seal on a face with facial hair. Therefore, saving lives on the battle field has no discrimination.
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