Posted on Dec 10, 2015
No, a college ID does not show Barack Obama was a foreign student at Columbia University
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Before this inevitably makes its way here through some individuals who will believe it I figured I'd pre-empt it.
No, a college ID does not show Barack Obama was a foreign student at Columbia University
Other Internet debunkers have looked at this before (Snopes, for one), but we wanted to take our own look.
It may not surprise you that it’s a sham.
Sorting out Soetoro
There was a time when Obama used the last name "Soetoro." Obama used Soetoro, the last name of his stepfather, while he was growing up in Indonesia. At age 10, Obama moved back to Hawaii, his birthplace, and stopped using that last name.
After two years at Occidental College in California, 20-year-old Barack Obama transferred to Columbia University in New York in 1981.
There are no records that suggest Obama ever went by his childhood alias while attending Columbia. In 1983, the university’s weekly magazine published an essay written by Obama. The byline reads "Barack Obama."
ID issues
Whoever took the time to make this image apparently didn’t take the extra time to change the number on the card. After the card made the initial rounds, Snopes revealed the card number belonged to another student, who appears to be caught up in this simply because he posted his card to the web in 1998.
The picture of Obama on the fake ID is definitely not of the president as a young college student. It looks like the photo was taken in 1999, when Obama was in his late 30s and a state senator in Illinois.
What’s more convincing is Columbia University didn’t even start using digital ID cards until 1996 — 13 years after Obama graduated.
"This is a fake," said Roger Hornsby, a spokesman for the university, to PolitiFact. "We didn't even have such IDs then."
Finally, Obama’s ID would not have said "foreign student," and not just because Obama was born in Hawaii. Hornsby said Columbia doesn’t even label student IDs like that.
Our ruling
A Facebook post makes ridiculous claims about a Columbia University ID that shows Obama was a foreign student who went by the alias "Barry Soetoro."
The post wants you to believe Obama isn’t really an American citizen. But the ID, and the birther narrative behind it, is not valid.
Obama stopped using his stepfather’s last name when he was 10. Columbia University didn’t even start using these types of IDs until the mid 1990s, long after Obama graduated.
The ID is a pretty bad Photoshop job. We rate the claim Pants on Fire!
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/dec/09/facebook-posts/facebook-posts-still-claim-obama-wasnt-born-us/
No, a college ID does not show Barack Obama was a foreign student at Columbia University
Other Internet debunkers have looked at this before (Snopes, for one), but we wanted to take our own look.
It may not surprise you that it’s a sham.
Sorting out Soetoro
There was a time when Obama used the last name "Soetoro." Obama used Soetoro, the last name of his stepfather, while he was growing up in Indonesia. At age 10, Obama moved back to Hawaii, his birthplace, and stopped using that last name.
After two years at Occidental College in California, 20-year-old Barack Obama transferred to Columbia University in New York in 1981.
There are no records that suggest Obama ever went by his childhood alias while attending Columbia. In 1983, the university’s weekly magazine published an essay written by Obama. The byline reads "Barack Obama."
ID issues
Whoever took the time to make this image apparently didn’t take the extra time to change the number on the card. After the card made the initial rounds, Snopes revealed the card number belonged to another student, who appears to be caught up in this simply because he posted his card to the web in 1998.
The picture of Obama on the fake ID is definitely not of the president as a young college student. It looks like the photo was taken in 1999, when Obama was in his late 30s and a state senator in Illinois.
What’s more convincing is Columbia University didn’t even start using digital ID cards until 1996 — 13 years after Obama graduated.
"This is a fake," said Roger Hornsby, a spokesman for the university, to PolitiFact. "We didn't even have such IDs then."
Finally, Obama’s ID would not have said "foreign student," and not just because Obama was born in Hawaii. Hornsby said Columbia doesn’t even label student IDs like that.
Our ruling
A Facebook post makes ridiculous claims about a Columbia University ID that shows Obama was a foreign student who went by the alias "Barry Soetoro."
The post wants you to believe Obama isn’t really an American citizen. But the ID, and the birther narrative behind it, is not valid.
Obama stopped using his stepfather’s last name when he was 10. Columbia University didn’t even start using these types of IDs until the mid 1990s, long after Obama graduated.
The ID is a pretty bad Photoshop job. We rate the claim Pants on Fire!
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/dec/09/facebook-posts/facebook-posts-still-claim-obama-wasnt-born-us/
Barack Obama
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I just have one question. If bush's college transcripts were made available to the general public, why can't BO's? There is one way to defeat the birther issue, produce the records and put the conspiracy theory out to pasture.
Executive Order 13489 -- Presidential Records
Executive Order 13489 -- Presidential Records
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Cpl (Join to see)
BS, show the papers and the conspiracy will be put to bed. I'll even appear front and center to state the facts. And that is the issue, there is no facts, just conjecture.
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SSG Steven Gotz
Seeing as how there was a birth announcement in the newspaper in Hawaii, and they would have no reason to post it if he was not just born there, documentation be damned, he was born in Hawaii.
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CPT Ahmed Faried Anything can be forged nowadays. The real question is, why is information on Obama's background so limited? That is new for American politicians.
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MSgt (Join to see)
Yet Trump won't release his tax returns, school records, and all of his financial dealings are shady with foreign banks. Hypocrisy at its finest. Lol
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LCpl Michael Oconnell
MSgt (Join to see) - You made the rank of Master Sgt. but your brain is still in toddeler stage . You still trust democraps even after, against ALL Federal law they opened our border (during a PANDEMIC) in an attempted Hostile takeover of America thru Illeagal immagration. Wow what a clown. I bet you think the Covid virus was caused by a Pengalin still too! Open your eyes guy, the Evil democraps have been at war with America since obuma got installed! Don't be a weakling your entire Life 1
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LTC James McElreath
The cloud of controversy has cast doubt on the present Presidency over speculation he had dementia/Alzheimer's. With all accounts he was on decline from the first day going forward. Recently it was surmised that he has had handlers, and no one knows who was actually running our country. It being speculated his cabinet was doing so. When he was cast in illegal activity, he always seemed to wiggle out of it! One can't say we the people know the truth and without documentation and building a case against the person can we get to the truth. The same goie with Obama! He has had controversy over the eight years covering his time in office. It all started with the proof of his birth. It had been noted his birth certificate was false but no one apparently wanted to officially note the specific irregularities observed on just the document itself. There was some sort of layering the info shown on the document. The American people have been fed so many lies by the press over our news accuracy and government cover up, who really knows the real truth. The truth depends on who and why is telling the story. Getting back to Obama It might be said the truth is what he wanted it to be!
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Did you see this?
A literary agent’s promotional brochure from two decades ago declares Barack Obama was “born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii”
A literary agent’s promotional brochure from two decades ago declares Barack Obama was “born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii”
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CPT Larry Booth
The people who believe Obama was born in Kenya will never believe otherwise because they are too lazy to research unbiased fact checking organizations like Snopes. Or they just don't want to know the truth.
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SFC Michael Peterson
CPT Larry Booth - Snopes is unbiased??? Now.THAT’S FUNNY!!! I bet you think Huffington Post is too.
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PO1 Charles Babcock
CPT Larry Booth - Beg to differ on your definition of "unbiased" fact checking organizations. Snopes was proven many years ago for being a far left propaganda source.
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i am tired of the Obama is a foreign born guy. It doesn't matter he will go down in history as one of the worst presidents.
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CPT Ahmed Faried
MAJ (Join to see) - Per your indictment of him, you are certainly entitled to it. I think you are wrong, however.
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MAJ (Join to see)
CPT Faried, I am not indicting anyone. I think that President Obama has proven to put us in a worse place whether or not Bush is to blame. His choices to include Hillary was SoS have been disastrous, Benghazi, Syria, Iraq, Iran, and North Korea to name a few.
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Yet, Rafael Edward Cruz, aka Ted Cruz born in Canada is running for the presidency. Now that is funny that no one talks about that.
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CPT Pedro Meza
TSgt Hunter Logan - I do not see Cruz and Trump as outsiders due to the fact that they run in the same circles. After all it was Cruz that shut down the government and did not own up for it and who benefited by it. Lobbyist win no matter.
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CPT Pedro Meza
TSgt Hunter Logan -Re-read my post, I stated the Tea Party and also I said that the GOP stayed quite because they did not get caught up in the mess that Hillary started. Ire goes to the Tea Party, they got punked!
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CPT Pedro Meza
TSgt Hunter Logan - The Lobbyist are also behind both Mr Trump and Mr Cruz, just look at their business practices; so yes the lobbyist win. The GOP has a few good candidates but loud mouths obscured them, win for Lobbyist again.
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CPT Pedro Meza
Mr. Trump is bought and sells himself by the outrageous comments that he makes, because they only promote his reality personality while offering no viable solution. Lobbyist always win, it human nature.
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Great Job Sir. I'm noticing one thing with the birthers...McCain shut them down with the quickness, so as if a "gift" was given to them Obama became their rallying cry. No matter how much information he or anyone put out, the truths get dismissed, the facts are said to be wrong, and anything negative about the man, now has the countries undivided attention. I haven't seen the Birther movement go after Cruz. There are a few similarities between the men, but he's not faced with the scrutiny that Obama faced in his time (and even now). I haven't heard Fox news asking for Curz's, grade school transcripts, friends he may have had in pre-school, his college transcripts, who he took to prom, or anything else. I haven't heard the liberal side ask for any of it either. But almost 8 years into his presidency, we're still trying to figure out if he's an American or not? A little late, a little tired, and it's HIGH time for some people to get jobs and move on.
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CPT Ahmed Faried
You won't find the liberal version of a Cruz birther movement because it is just too idiotic.
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SSG Warren Swan
MAJ (Join to see) - Run for office and lets see who the local media can dig up claiming to have known you. Here you are 40 something year old man, and they find some girl who's 25 talking about she knew you back then. SMMFH!!!
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Cpl (Join to see)
Captain why do you keep trying to misinform people. "Cruz birther movement, BS! That is something you made up. HRC was the first to spout the birth certificate issues and have you looked up the attorney Philip Berg who was leading the charge. Guess what he was, a democrat and a lifetime member of the NAACP. The birther issue STARTED ON THE LEFT. Stop the misinformation.
And before you call Berg an idiot conspiracy nut, I'll bet you would have supported him in 2001 when he "demanded the disbarment of U.S. Supreme Court Justices Sandra Day O'Connor, Antonin Scalia, and Clarence Thomas due to their participation in the case Bush v. Gore."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_J._Berg
And before you call Berg an idiot conspiracy nut, I'll bet you would have supported him in 2001 when he "demanded the disbarment of U.S. Supreme Court Justices Sandra Day O'Connor, Antonin Scalia, and Clarence Thomas due to their participation in the case Bush v. Gore."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_J._Berg
Philip J. Berg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Philip Jay Berg (born April 13, 1944), previously an American attorney, brought a Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) lawsuit charging president George W. Bush and 154 others with complicity in the September 11 attacks, and another suit challenging the eligibility of Barack Obama to become President of the United States.
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Democrats brought this on themselves by questioning John McCain's eligibility because he was born on a US military base in the Panama Canal Zone.
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SPC Alexander Brandt
Why? All accusations claiming President Obama is not a citizen have been unfounded, and the burden of proof lays with the party making the extraordinary claim.
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SSgt Jim Gilmore
Quoting SGM Mikel Dawson: Again, believe nothing you hear, and half of what you see. With all the computer tricks and such today, what is real and what is memorex? When it comes to this POTUS, I believe nothing except that he is a fraud.
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As one that detests the policies of this administration, I wish that the birthers would drop this type of attacks. It makes us all look bad. No one could have doctored documents from 1961 in preparation for a potential off-spring of a commie and female of dubious character becoming the future president. I was there in 1961 and remember NOT seeing it in the papers. :)
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MCPO Roger Collins
One must have a modicum of reading comprehension to appreciate some of my posts, apparently lacking in the reply. Thanks
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Of course it's a sham. But to quote Hillary Clinton, "What difference, at this point, does it make?" He's the President and soon enough he will be the former President and running his own Billion Dollar foundation, just like his predecessors.
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