Posted on Jan 14, 2015
SSG Combat Medic
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This weekend me and my GF decided to get out and go to the movies not near any military base once so ever (maybe a Reserve or NG training facility could be near by). So I'm glancing around notice a uniform on a young lady and her hair down with a PT cap on inside of the mall. I didn't loose my mind at first because it could be anyone just wearing the uniform these days. As I get closer to her I notice she has on SPC rank. I told my GF that I have to say something to her and of course she didn't understand. When I approached the SPC and her civilian male acquaintance, I asked her was she in the Army and she quickly replied "yes". So I asked her did she know she was in complete violation of Army Regs she says "yes". The female rolled her eyes at me and I could tell she was going to have
a attitude with me so I quickly removed myself from the situation. So at what point do we as leaders make a on the spot correction in public or remove ourselves from the situation? I felt at the time as a NCO I should have done more to make her fix herself, but on the other hand I didn't want to make a scene at the mall and in public. SPC Ware I definitely will remember you forever.
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CPL Matthew Pruett
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Personally I would have asked to walk with me and inform her I am or was military and that the standards put in place by the army are not just for uniformity but to express are pride in are country are job and what we stand for and if she failed to understand that I would call her chain of command. I have done this before and I will do it again I believe if you can't wear it right then don't wear it at all last I look class As are they only authorized in public...
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As an Staff Sergeant, I would have asked her to remove her headgear politely and act accordingly. What she is doing is an embarrassment to the Army and the Military. There has got to be some military bearing.
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SFC Elvis Frink
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Today's military. . .it seems since we are in a time of 'war' a lot of this type of bearing and discipline is common. Maybe she has a P3! From 'don't ask, don't tell' to do what you want!
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You were down at PEYON-teak theater by the looks of it. Did you get her name or unit?As a SSG you should have light into her when she coped the attitude. if you take the picture (Evidence) down to the PMO if you have her name they can look her up and give you her unit. I applaude you for being willing to make the correction but you should have followed it all the way through.
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MSG Ernest Stukes
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She shoes disrespect for the uniform majorly
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MSG Martin C.
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You did the right thing by removing yourself from the situation the last thing you need is a public confrontation. All you can hope is that now she knows there is eyes everywhere she may opt not to do the same again. At the end of the day individuals as such are in the military for a small period of time and move on I highly doubt she is the next Audie Murphy
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SGT Mark Sullivan
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Always, but, I would have pulled her aside, and mentioned it, BF aside. If she threw an attitude, I would have pressed further.
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SGT David Emme
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It is always appropriate in a situation like that. Would ask her to step aside and do so privately. She represents you-represents us. The question would be is if you were on base-would you correct her? Correct any soldier on base? Your still a soldier when you leave the post.
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COL Charles Williams
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We all have a duty to the right things, make respectful corrections, receive corrections willingly when necessary and to say it thanks... And do what needs to be done, on or off duty, and even when we are retired. You make correction, and they don't respond positively you take their done their PII and report it to their chain of command... Bn or higher... You did the right thing.
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SGT Combat Engineer
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She prob wasnt military prob the uniform of a family member
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CAPT Phillip B.
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I would have introduced myself and told her to correct her uniform appearance on the spot, or show me her ID and declare her unit so I could follow up on the matter later. Probably would have let it drop at that, except that if she chose the 2nd route - persisting in her jacked-up state of appearance - I would point out that she CHOSE to appear in public off-duty in uniform.

As military personnel we have two options: Wear the uniform correctly, or don't wear the uniform. There is no gray area. As to the attitude and eye-rolling, it would do nothing more than ensure that I'd chase down her command sergeant major. Always correct violations of uniform regs in a friendly, but businesslike manner (no need to be rude) - it's not a matter of taste. Wear it right, or take it off.
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Pull her aside, advise her of the violation of reg and remind her of the expectation that comes with wearing the uniform. I trust she would do the right thing after someone identifies themselves. I've been guilty of a uniform violation a time or 12 when I was an junior enlisted member. Reminders are good.
CPL David Wads
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Pull her to the side talk to her
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SGT Assistant Logistics Nco (S4)
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Unfortunately this happens a lot in the NG. I asked someone to TC me to simply move a vehicle that was in the way of a loading dock, the SPC told me no. Confused I asked again " I need you to TC me to move a VIC out the way, lets go". He replied "I'm not supply, find someone else to do it". I lost my mind, especially as he did it in front of his SPC buddies, and you know coming from Active Duty, you don't disrespect an NCO like that. Well after a very loud verbal confirmation, his Squad Leader came running up to me chewing me out, asking why am I talking to his soldier like that, and he even heard the conversation. I asked why do you allow your soldiers to talk this way to NCO's, his response was simply "he is getting out in 2 months just let it go". o_O
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PO1 Michael G.
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SSG (Join to see) I had a similar experience when flying home on Christmas leave last month. The day our base went on stand down, there were dozens of sailors at the airport. Of the roughly 60+ sailors travelling in uniform, there were at least a third of them who were wearing the Naval Service Uniform, which is not authorized as a travel uniform (if I'm wrong, someone please correct me).

Regardless, there was one Sailor who was sitting across from me who was sitting directly across from me wearing NSUs with the black pullover sweater without the nametag, which I know for certain is not authorized, so I said something to him, giving him the benefit of the doubt, like, "Hey, man, you forgot your nametag."

He answered sneeringly that he didn't forget it, he didn't order it for the sweater. So I said, "Oh, gotcha. You know, the sweater isn't authorized without it." He just stared at me so I said, "Maybe you can change out of the sweater and put your peacoat on?"

At this point, he said to me, "Why don't you mind your own f-ing business?"

So that's when I pretty much dropped it, because he was obviously and conspicuously agitated, so I didn't want to make a scene. When I got home, I asked my dad what I should have done (my dad is a retired Command Master Chief). His advice to me was that I probably handled it in the best way possible; I was polite, professional, and I didn't push the envelope with the guy when he got angry. As a rule of thumb, he told me that it does nobody any good to make a public scene because most of the onlookers would be civilians who don't really know any better about military life anyway, so a scene (even though I was right) only would have embarrassed the Navy.

Long story short, I would agree that you did the right thing by not pursuing it publicly in that manner, though I'm also with you in that I won't ever forget this guy if I happen to see him around base.
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SFC Michael Poole
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You brought it to her attention and she had no intention in correcting it. You have the pics. I would take it to her command and let them handle it.
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SFC Bob Laverick
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Pull her to the side, ID yourself show her your ID if not in uniform, request her ID and notify her chain of command, including her response to your request and photo of her in line.
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You didn't say anything to the guy wearing the PATRIOTS jersey? So much for standards! I'm just kidding, but I sympathize with you. I often see things like that and I try to explain it to my wife, telling her that the general public sees everything and thinks SOLDIER. They think that all Soldiers curse in public, smoke on storefront sidewalks with no headgear, and all the crazy things you see people do and I get offended because that's not ME, but the public doesn't see the good stuff Soldiers do, only the bad. I can't even say anything most of the time, because I know that I'm just going to get even more upset, and it's just not worth it.
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I'm not an nco but even as being a lower enlisted member I would still make the on the spot correction.
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PV2 Gregory Loupe
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Unless she's still in training she shouldn't have even been in uniform off post
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MSG D Cebo
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sometimes the way you approach todays Soldiers can have a confrontation specially if you a are in the Civilian sector because they fill Untouchable, the best way would be, is to say good day SPC JANE DOE you have your hair undone you need to fix it thanks...... by that time you would have see her name tape, and is She come with Attitude make your Mission as an NCO go to the Post locator or your S-1 and start your research, believe me you will find her,....then.. talk to Her 1SG with counseling form on hand and RECOMMEND a Article 15 to show her how far the NCO Corp can go!...... you can also find out if THE NCO Corp in that Company is weak!! then you slam dunk them with your CSM and here as well jejejeje good luck Troop!!
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