Posted on Jan 14, 2015
On the spot corrections in public; when is it appropriate?
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This weekend me and my GF decided to get out and go to the movies not near any military base once so ever (maybe a Reserve or NG training facility could be near by). So I'm glancing around notice a uniform on a young lady and her hair down with a PT cap on inside of the mall. I didn't loose my mind at first because it could be anyone just wearing the uniform these days. As I get closer to her I notice she has on SPC rank. I told my GF that I have to say something to her and of course she didn't understand. When I approached the SPC and her civilian male acquaintance, I asked her was she in the Army and she quickly replied "yes". So I asked her did she know she was in complete violation of Army Regs she says "yes". The female rolled her eyes at me and I could tell she was going to have
a attitude with me so I quickly removed myself from the situation. So at what point do we as leaders make a on the spot correction in public or remove ourselves from the situation? I felt at the time as a NCO I should have done more to make her fix herself, but on the other hand I didn't want to make a scene at the mall and in public. SPC Ware I definitely will remember you forever.
a attitude with me so I quickly removed myself from the situation. So at what point do we as leaders make a on the spot correction in public or remove ourselves from the situation? I felt at the time as a NCO I should have done more to make her fix herself, but on the other hand I didn't want to make a scene at the mall and in public. SPC Ware I definitely will remember you forever.
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Sadly, it's too common in today's military. My daughter in her JROTC program is more military than many of the young soldiers/airmen I see out in uniform. What saddens me is that if if's the duty day (0700 - 1700) they're normally respectful and in proper uniform. When it's after 1700, all bets are off; trousers not bloused, hats not worn, hair improper. And, in today's world, none of us know what background a young soldier has and their reaction.
Hopefully, someone in her chain will see this thread and enlighten the young Specialist. And, like SMSgt Thomas said, I would have asked to speak to her alone and corrected her tactfully. If she then becomes disrespectful, you as a senior NCO have the lawful authority to have her show you her ID and notify her BN CS.
Hopefully, someone in her chain will see this thread and enlighten the young Specialist. And, like SMSgt Thomas said, I would have asked to speak to her alone and corrected her tactfully. If she then becomes disrespectful, you as a senior NCO have the lawful authority to have her show you her ID and notify her BN CS.
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Praise in public, correct in private...though that is a very unique situation..on base, it is easy to enforce uniform violations because they are in an environment that the populace is occustomed to such things..in this case I , stress the I, feel that a private descrete reminder is much more effective, as this troop seems proud of her uniform, but doesn't understand the regulation completely..she needs training more than public correction.. I live by an Air Force base that seems to set the standard locally..pick your battles..
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SSG Keith Chavey
The other point would be to "know your troop" this involves finances, family, background, all of this plays into encountering another's troop.. We as NCO's are here to enforce standards and build people..people who are able to assume our jobs in the future so we can move up..maybe that troop didn't have a good leader for the last year and a half..that doesn't mean tear them down, that means educate them and teach them to be the example..
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No correct her no matter what up hold the standards we have been taught. Rolling your eyes don't release you from your obligations!
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Noting with regret that "the armed forces are no longer representative of the people they serve," retired Admiral Stanley Arthur has expressed concern that "more and more, enlisted as well as officers are beginning to feel that they are special, better than the society they serve." Such tendencies, concluded Arthur, are "not healthy in an armed force serving a democracy."
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This is the "quality" of our troops these days. No pride or respect for self , unit, or country. This is why I got out at 15 years instead of getting corrected by the chain of command for being too old school. It also fuels my fears about future wars and the need to be ready to fight the future wars at home.
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I would have pulled her to the side and corrected. If nothing else I would have gotten her name and reported it to her chain. It's unacceptable. It's not an off duty uniform for wear anymore. The eye roll alone would have set me off.
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I would have introduced myself and asked the woman if I may have a moment of her time, then I would have reminded her of the uniform regs. If she didn't like it, I would have invited her to contact me while on duty for further discussion.
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Were you in uniform too? Yes? Then pull her to the side make her fix herself. If your answer is no, then you did your part. you told her she looked like ass and went on with your business. My opinion is that if you're not in uniform then you're not really in the position to do much beyond "hey you're out of regs you should probably do something about that."
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