Posted on Jan 14, 2015
On the spot corrections in public; when is it appropriate?
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This weekend me and my GF decided to get out and go to the movies not near any military base once so ever (maybe a Reserve or NG training facility could be near by). So I'm glancing around notice a uniform on a young lady and her hair down with a PT cap on inside of the mall. I didn't loose my mind at first because it could be anyone just wearing the uniform these days. As I get closer to her I notice she has on SPC rank. I told my GF that I have to say something to her and of course she didn't understand. When I approached the SPC and her civilian male acquaintance, I asked her was she in the Army and she quickly replied "yes". So I asked her did she know she was in complete violation of Army Regs she says "yes". The female rolled her eyes at me and I could tell she was going to have
a attitude with me so I quickly removed myself from the situation. So at what point do we as leaders make a on the spot correction in public or remove ourselves from the situation? I felt at the time as a NCO I should have done more to make her fix herself, but on the other hand I didn't want to make a scene at the mall and in public. SPC Ware I definitely will remember you forever.
a attitude with me so I quickly removed myself from the situation. So at what point do we as leaders make a on the spot correction in public or remove ourselves from the situation? I felt at the time as a NCO I should have done more to make her fix herself, but on the other hand I didn't want to make a scene at the mall and in public. SPC Ware I definitely will remember you forever.
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Regardless of rank if you see someone out of regulation you should correct the infraction, that includes those individuals that outrank you (showing the respect their rank requires of course). In the event I encountered that kind of disrespect I would then introduce myself as an NCO and proceeded to get the individual full name and unit information and follow up with the individuals supervision.
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Regardless of rank if you see fellow service members out right ignoring regulation it is your responsibility to correct the infraction. I would have introduced myself as an NCO if I was met with such disrespect followed by asking the individual for their full name and unit and follow up with their supervision.
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You should have gotten where she works so you could notify her command followed up with the photo
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I'M going to go out on a limb here so please bear with me. Standards are clear and regs are meant to be obeyed all the time by all the people. Duty, loyalty, integrity, responsibility are all on the line all of the time. We should lean this when we take the oath. Some of the responses I read here are nothing short of bullying, have nothing to do with raising awareness, teaching discipline, or raising esprit de corps.
If you are a leader you are not god nor should you act like King Kong. You do not need to make the offender comply just teach them politely and compassionately.
Your goal is to get them to be willing members of the team. Nobody wants to be corrected and dressed down in public or embarrassed by some loud mouth pretender to the throne.
That person may well shape up and want to reenlist because you were kind and she knew that she was wrong.
If you are a leader you are not god nor should you act like King Kong. You do not need to make the offender comply just teach them politely and compassionately.
Your goal is to get them to be willing members of the team. Nobody wants to be corrected and dressed down in public or embarrassed by some loud mouth pretender to the throne.
That person may well shape up and want to reenlist because you were kind and she knew that she was wrong.
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Former medic, out on medical discharge. But had hoped to re-enlist as Chaplain Asst.
It used to be we knew what we were fighting for, or at least the ideology. Many if not most today "volunteer" for the benefits. Which is not "bad", unless they refuse to let go of self when needed. Yet the reality is that 2 Timothy 3:3-5 is a reality can affect all, and does affect all, yet not all understand. An increasing "love" of self, has no real heart of cohesiveness, except for how self is profited. We've seen a decrease of hostility toward the uniform as lessons were learned since Nam. I'm not that old, but I too, remember when the Uniform was only to be worn, in full, by active duty or on special events. Time and place, I think there is a better understanding by civilians. But as it is tough to discipline our own children in public, getting too "hard" may not the best PR either. Get unit, etc., if possible pics, then let the Chain of command deal with the problem. Some folk are more amenable and a simple reminder will suffice. But this gal obviously is not one.
It used to be we knew what we were fighting for, or at least the ideology. Many if not most today "volunteer" for the benefits. Which is not "bad", unless they refuse to let go of self when needed. Yet the reality is that 2 Timothy 3:3-5 is a reality can affect all, and does affect all, yet not all understand. An increasing "love" of self, has no real heart of cohesiveness, except for how self is profited. We've seen a decrease of hostility toward the uniform as lessons were learned since Nam. I'm not that old, but I too, remember when the Uniform was only to be worn, in full, by active duty or on special events. Time and place, I think there is a better understanding by civilians. But as it is tough to discipline our own children in public, getting too "hard" may not the best PR either. Get unit, etc., if possible pics, then let the Chain of command deal with the problem. Some folk are more amenable and a simple reminder will suffice. But this gal obviously is not one.
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I may have a lower rank than anyone around but my personal and professional opinion is that if you are in uniform you must be in regulation. No matter where you are or when it is, you are in uniform. Have the decency to be in regulation. Also her having an attitude after just admiring she knew she was out of regulation? That just sounds like a lack of respect in her superiors and the uniform she is wearing.
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All I can say is WOW. For the young SPC out of reg shame on yourself. You know better and should have enough pride in your uniform and branch of service not to disrespect it. To the NCO...... I can't believe you didn't have enough back bone to correct the violation on the spot. That is what is wrong with our new generation military men and women. You can't and won't hold eachother accountable for your/their actions. Reach down.... Grab ahold.... Let me hang.... And develope some intestinal fortitude.
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I would have stood there as she put her hair up and removed the cap. I for one don't like being out in uniform but on an off chance that in still in it and need to pick up something or meet with someone AR 670-1 applies because I'm in uniform duty or no duty. I would have asked her to kindly get unfucked and rethink her chose of attire outside of normal duty.
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