Posted on Nov 13, 2016
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COL Jon Thompson
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The same way we would have addressed OPSEC and Information Assurance if Hillary was the next President. We should not base our behaviors on the actions of our Civilian leaders. We as individuals should make sure we live up to our service values and not worry about others.
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Sir, yours is the most reasonable response I've yet received. I'm still waiting to hear from someone in the SHARP field.
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As in someone who works in the field of SH/SA prevention
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SSG Trevor S.
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You beat me to the same answer.
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SPC Erich Guenther
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He didn't "advocate" the behavior, in fact he apologized for it and said it was unacceptable. In my view, given the above, you don't have an issue.
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Thanks for posting a response to the actual question.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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At least when Mr Trump said anything improper He owned up to it instead of the HRC approach of not answering the question at all o trying to blame it on someone else. The late President Truman came up with some real gems also, He owned up to them also and moved on. As harry Truman said, "The buck stops Here" President Truman was known for speaking His mind and being politically correct was never His way.
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As I've stated throughout this discussion, I'm no fan of HRC. In fact, I'm relieved she not our first woman POTUS. That said, your point's moot because she won't be in our chain of command. I think as a country we have to stop embracing severely flawed leaders merely because we disagree with their opposition. Trump won fair and square. But that doesn't mean his behavior which was inconsistent with DoD's stated values shouldn't raise questions. In an extreme example, it's like saying at least Hitler didn't kill 20 million the way Stalin did. Neither's acceptable.
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1SG(P) (Join to see) - the fact that it was 11 years ago and he apologized and said it was inappropriate, means that he has come to a new light, how many of use have said things in the past that we regret, also in reguards to the entertainment society take a good long look at beyoncee and her attire, mylie cyrus list can continue, I will not condem someone for their past transgretions but will support someone who has learned and risen above
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LTC Joseph Gross
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I'm assuming SAPR is something dealing with SHARP. He didn't advocate for that. We do our job the same way we always have. We continue to waste our time giving SHARP and EO briefings that no one pays attention to and has no impact on anyone intent on harassing someone.
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I edited the question from "advocated" to "condoned".
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Brought to you by the magic of google:
http://www.sexualassault.army.mil/
http://www.sapr.mil/
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LTC Joseph Gross - sir interesting response, in my little neck of the woods Hobart college male student with accusation of rape dismissed from the college, when the dirt settled it was found that it was not rape, it was only because a so called rape advisor told her it was, the male was found not guilty by the law but he could not continue his education there or even see his own sister graduate, the people that investigated and decided this young mans future had no training but were willing to put his life away based on little to no evidence, SHARP/EO are good programs as long as the people in charge are trained as well as the counsellors/ reps/ investigators, otherwise its just check the block training
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LTC Joseph Gross
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Crazy how many different viewpoints there are to this. No doubt the system will always be abused and there will be people who need the education they receive in the program. Sounds like another example where command and leadership needs to be actively involved and watch for abuse.
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Our incoming CinC condoned behavior that's in conflict with SAPR. SHARP professionals, how should we address or respond to troops with this?
SSG Carlos Madden
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MSG,
I wasn't a SHARP or EO rep but I think this kind of conversation could potentially be presented to anyone in the military with a zero tolerance policy on these issues.

I'd respond by saying that regardless of what the CinC says or does, or anyone else for that matter, the incoming CinC is a civilian and not one of my soldiers. I'd tell them that I hold them to the highest standard, plain in simple. It's not our job to make excuses or try explain what someone else does. It's our job to do the right thing and not sexually harass/assault our fellow brothers and sisters in arms and report the ones who do. I don't care what Clinton or Trump did or didn't do - it's shouldn't be germane to what goes on within our ranks. As soldiers we're expected to be professionals 100% of the time even when others may not be.
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Maj John Bell
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Easy "I am talking about you and your conduct soldier!"
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Sir, yours is one of the few initial responses to the actual question.
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Maj John Bell
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1SG(P) (Join to see) - And people say us grunts are dumb. ;)
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CSM Thomas McGarry
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Not that I am condoning what the President elect said but I'm sure when Bill Clinton was President that his record of adultery was not a record to be emulated as others have said soldiers and leaders should just drive on!!
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LTC Joseph Gross
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1SG(P) (Join to see) - nor did Trump.
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Sir, would you say his remarks condone such behavior?
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SPC Erich Guenther
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1SG(P) (Join to see) - Honestly do not know what SAPR is but I kind of answered this above. The Army I served in way back in the 1980's would let things slide between units or assignments depending on severity or they would boot someone out. Items where someone ins just talking if this was the Army the most that would happen is Article 15 in my opinion.......if he acted out what he said on a person, then he would have been booted out of the Army. For the women that accuse him of acting out on them. Unfortunately the President Elect falls under immunity clause now that past transgressions are suspended until he is out of office (the immunity clause is part of our Constitution that protects the President from potentially fabricated charges dealing with actions in his past).. So if those women want to prosecute they will have to wait until his term in office is over. That's what the Constitution says on the subject.
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I'm not so much curious about any legal ramifications of his behavior as I am that we'll be getting an annual brief pretty soon. Mr. Trump's admitted behavior and statements contradicts the policies we'll be reminded of. I'm just curious as to how our SA/SH gurus will reconcile this if at all.
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SSG Jessica Bautista
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I can't even.. His non-apology was not worth considering. He would have to start with a genuine, professional apology. Assuming he can make that happen, he AND his wife must be the sterling example of good character. As we all know, once you mess up, no one will forget it and they will wait for you to mess up again.

If he can manage this, leadership should not have to work too hard to gloss over his indiscretion. If you keep the focus on warning signs, safety tips, responsibilities and such, it shouldn't come up in the course. If it does, it would really depend on the nature of the question or statement.

I feel bad for anyone tasked with that job.
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SSG Jessica Bautista
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1SG(P) (Join to see) - You are the company you keep. Besides, in order to set an example of respectful sexual interactions, it would only reflect badly on her husband if she didn't. I don't like the idea, but that's the nature of being a public figure.
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SGT Ben Keen
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I'm struggling to find anyone, President or not, that is a "sterling example of good character". In my personal view, no one that has been named President in recent years falls into that category. Everyone comes with their issue(s) and to ignore them but to demand accountability from others is just as bad as the behavior.
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MGySgt James Forward
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"sterling example of good character" George W, George Sr, Ronald Regan, Jimmy Carter. That was an easy question. Semper Fi.
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SSG Jessica Bautista
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SGT Ben Keen - for the purposes of this discussion, I'm solely considering sexual behavior.
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MCPO Roger Collins
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Back to advocating, are you saying anyone that has a private conversation, illegally taped is advocating? Would Bill Clinton's actions as C-In-C was advocating? Would Hillary's actions attacking those Bill advocating? What did these same people say when asked about that?

It seems you are more interested in a conversation a decade ago than putting these creatures back in the White House. Once sworn in I would tread very carefully with demeaning the President.
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I edited the question from "advocated" to "condoned".
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MCPO Roger Collins
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1SG(P) (Join to see) - Saved me the trouble of posting the definition of advocating. Not buying condoning either.
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How would you describe his comments?
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MCPO Roger Collins
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1SG(P) (Join to see) - Crude, and probably not as bad as the lyrics to many songs popular so-called artists that are invited to the White House by the current occupants. For example Beyoncé and Jay-Z. During my youth, career in the military and second career in the private industry I have heard similar conversatoons by male a D female, but in public and home never stated. I tend to dwell on the Clinton's because of the huge stain on our nation and a significant decrease in our morality from that point on. Sexual assault was virtually unheard of during my military career.
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SGM Bill Frazer
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In what way? Remember the Constitution and law states that you are innocent until proven guilty. Has anyone been to court and proven guilty yet?? If not, then he has condoned nothing other than DUE Process!. Think about it- someone claims you sexually assaulted them- are you going to hang up your hat without an investigation? Charges being brought or even your day in court?
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SSG Trevor S.
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The same way OPSEC managers would have addressed a Clinton administration.
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True. But it's already been said.
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