Posted on Jul 17, 2015
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LTC Yinon Weiss
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I think that's an underestimation. If not waging total war (such as WWII), then to change the culture of people who are sworn enemies would take more than a generation.
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SPC Andrew Griffin
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Great Comment Sir! I think you hit it! I don't agree with the estimation!
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I agree LTC Yinon Weiss. We can't go into another war and only commit halfway. I cannot even say that it's an underestimate, I almost have to say it's unachievable.
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SPC Andrew Griffin
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SPC (Join to see) - its time to commit all that we have got. Because if we play Pitty Patt ISIS will only continue to grow. They have taken some hits. But they come back even stronger each time.
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We will always be vulnerable to homegrown extremists... I don't think it likely that Islamic extremists will disappear 10-20 years, however it is possible that the worst of the worst are calling themselves something else by that time. That said, I don't believe we have any business going to war with ISIL. They are a problem that should be dealt with my Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon and Turkey. Not the United States.
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SPC Andrew Griffin
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Great Point Brother! Awesome Comment!
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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SPC Andrew Griffin I believe that I will still be around in 20 years, maybe even 30 years and I can tell you will be reading about another terrorist attack 30 years from now. This enemy we have been fighting now for most the better part of 20 or 30 years now has generations of haters that will keep coming and keep coming until we can truly find a way of changing their hatred for Infidels. I just don't see it happening in the next 30 years unless someone really get serious or we are attacked in such a horrific manner it wakes up the sleeping giant again.
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SPC Andrew Griffin
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I want to like your Post but the system is telling me I am out of LIKES for today! I exceeded my 75! But I would like to say Sir that what you wrote has been my thinking. Not only my thinking but also my Fear. The Latter part of your is what is creating my concern. Because I believe we will grow COMPLACENT! Which we always do and it will take something HORRIFIC before we get serious.
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Well as much as it sucks that we will be involved in this fight for so long, we will continue to do our duty. My Son, a young 1LT, has his work cut out for him.
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SFC Dennis Yancy
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We have been fighting terrorists for a long time. Most of us knew nothing about it. When ADA had the big warheads we were constantly on the pointy end. The Jihadist did not get involved much till 1980s. This will be a long war. These folks believe in what they are doing and that makes them very dangerious. Who knows what has come thru our open borders
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LTC Jason Bartlett
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They are an existential threat to the Nation. But with our current leadership we'll destroy and continue to degrade ourselves from the inside 1st.
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Pentagon says WAR on ISIL can last 10-20 Years. Is that a REALISTIC Timetable and why would it take so long?
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We are fighting an ideal, a radicalized version of the Islamic religion whether people want to believe that or not. Winning this type of “War” will not be fast, cheap, or easy. As the fighting rolls on and casualties build up, and tangible goals or objectives are won then public support will diminish significantly. As public support falters so will congressional support. The style of fighting we are currently vested in is a losing battle in my opinion. We need more support from most of the other Islamic nations and Islamic people in order to realistically “defeat” this enemy. As we continue to encore collateral damage in innocent lives, we cannot win the support needed from the Islamic people in the region or around the world. I personally feel that the more ISIS/ISIL continue to murder not only men, but women and children as well for not adhering or believing in their version of Islam, the more damage they are doing to their own campaign. If the U.S. can reduce collateral damage while allowing ISIS/ISIL to make the mistakes they are making, then conflict will be much easier to win. Ultimately this is a war of public support through propaganda through which ISIS/ISIL, at first, had been dominating. However for them their greed and blatant disregard for the lives of all Islamic people is starting to lose them the support they once had.
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Lt Col Instructor Navigator
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The problem is, it's tough to get that support from the Islamic nations as long as they believe the US will step in and solve their problems. I honestly think our best move is to walk away from the region for a while.
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SPC Andrew Griffin
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SrA Christopher Gatzka - The E-7 did go in on his Post! He enlightened me on a few things.
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SPC Andrew Griffin
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Lt Col (Join to see) - if we walk away the problem will only escalate. Remember when the Iraqi Army ABANDONED all the Hardware we gave them! They even left the mops and the broomsticks! LOL
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I guess I have a different view...I don't care about Iraq. It does not change our own security position in the least if Iraq is ruled over by ISIS...which they won't be for long, because Iran, Saudi, Jordan, and Qatar won't tolerate it. We are in a fight that we don't understand, and instead of helping, we just keep whacking the hornet's nest. We made a major blunder when we supported the Arab Spring...ISIS is the result of meddling in affairs that do not have a realistic bearing on our security.
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SFC Everett Oliver
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If it's a war and not patty cake politics then remember we defeated the 4th largest military in the world in 3 months....If we play at war then yes, decades..... Give the military the mission, pull back the politicians and the press....
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SPC Andrew Griffin
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This is an OUTSTANDING comment! I believe you are right!
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I think it's an optimistic timeline at best.
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SPC Andrew Griffin
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I believe its a very STRONG Optimistic Timeline. My question: Will Isis grow WEAKER or STRONGER over that period of time?
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Weaker. They are under fire from all sides...the US and NATO allies, the Syrian regime, the Iraqis, the Saudis, the Iranians, Hamas, Hezbollah...they have created enemies out of absolutely everyone they are in contact with. Not to mention their own infighting regarding the strict application of Sharia Law.
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I don't even think this is the type of "war" you can put an estimate on. Vietnam, Operation Enduring Freedom..these were more conventional wars and look at those timetables. I believe we are looking at a completely new breed of war here, and it is one of the types of war that may be here to stay. The timetable may not be estimated with a beginning and an end. It will be like managing herpes.....you can manage the outbreaks, but the disease is always lurking beneath the surface.
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SPC Andrew Griffin
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I love the Analogy that you used! OUTSTANDING! I agree with you!
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SGM Steve Wettstein
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It's a real time table because IMO they have no real plan to defeat them.
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SPC Andrew Griffin
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In your estimation, what do you think it will take for us to be successful against ISIL?
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SSG Izzy Abbass
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I think one big issue that is often overlooked is that many people flocking to their cause is the hopeless economic situation they feel they are in, whether ir be in the ME or even in Europe where many folks are traveling from. Kind of what's happening in Palestine, happened in the former Yugoslavia (Serbs) any many other places.
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SSG Trevor S.
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Defeating Daesh will take a very concerted effort over a long period of time if we keep on the current path.
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SPC Andrew Griffin
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If they TASK you out to Create a Definitive Strategy to defeat ISIL; what would it be?
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SSG Trevor S.
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SPC Andrew Griffin -
1. Stop pandering to their trumped up "offense" and call them by their name, Daesh.
2. Gain a surrounding advantage to assure no escape for hostiles and cut off supply lines. This may mean leveraging the Iran deal that I am otherwise not so fond of.
3. Attempt diplomacy at this point because it has a better chance of working from a position of strength.
4. When diplomacy fails, move in slowly and deliberately destroying any target that presents a weapon.
5. Leave any areas we do not want to keep, without rebuilding.
6. Parcel the country between the neighboring countries that helped us, including a sovereign state for the Kurds.
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SPC Andrew Griffin
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this is OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Pentagon needs your number Brother!!!!!
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