Posted on Apr 7, 2015
LTC Yinon Weiss
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As if the act of murder wasn't bad enough, the end of the video shows him handcuffing the victim... who may have been still alive, and walking away. Watching how care free he was about the whole thing, including walking away at the end, leads me to believe that this isn't the kind of thing a good cop just did on a bad day. I imagine that this police officer has victimized people to various degrees throughout his entire career. How his peers on the force have not done anything about it is a little worrisome. Law enforcement do so much good in this country, it's so unfortunate to see this be how they are perceived by so many.

More on the story: http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/07/us/south-carolina-officer-charged-murder/index.html

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXO3Ix_GIyI
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CW4 Larry Curtis
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Ok, if we are to base our decisions on this video alone, there is only one obvious conclusion you can reach. It pains me so much to say it, too, because I have had friends in Law Enforcement and I hate the beatings that our Law Enforcers have been taking lately in the arena of public opinion and the national media. These guys are in a constant state of combat readiness due to the nature of their jobs, except there are seldom any clear battle lines drawn for them or any clearly defined mission plans drawn up, other than to be alive and well at the end of their shift. I think there has been too much liberty taken on passing judgement by people who weren't there on the scene with them, let alone having ever walked in their shoes, so I am very slow and deliberate when it comes to calling foul on them. From my position in my armchair, however, I have to ask, like so many others, why the officer in this case felt it necessary to shoot at the man. If he had the means to ID him, I think he could have been apprehended again with more assistance. And based on that, I must agree with SSG Clayton Blackwell that this was most likely a bad shoot. This is further confounded by the fact that this is another case of a white cop vs black victim and we simply don't need anymore of this. And I feel certain the sentiment is the same down at the station and is probably being hammered into everyone as often as anyone thinks about it.
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CPT J2 X
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I'm no SME on LE regulations but I am pretty sure shooting someone in the back is wrong. They are no longer a threat, just like you can shoot an intruder leaving your property. The justice system will continue to work, as it's been in similar cases.
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Capt Brandon Charters
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Officer Slager's dash cam footage was just released.
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Maj Mike Sciales
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OK, Zero to dead in 4 minutes. Enough PC crap: The following are NO-KIDDING safety training tips for Black people (well anybody) from a former cop. Before you step into a vehicle, even as a passenger make sure you (or the driver) has a current and valid driver's license. Examine it, look at the expiration date. Then demand to see (or verify you have) the registration and proof of insurance and they are current and valid and you know exactly where they are. Then do a vehicle walk around. Test every light and signal to make sure they work, including the light over the license plate. Make sure you license plate is firmly attached and the validation decals are visible. Then scrape off any decals or other visible means of identification of you and your car as belonging to a minority member. So to be blunt: Get rid of the Jamaican Rastafarian flag and don't heavily tint your car windows in excess of your state regulations. Don't drive around slowly playing gangsta rap music and posing, because the cops will think you are a gangsta and treat you like one.

Black people -- the majority of cops are good, decent, hard working and dedicated. But there are a butt load of Bad cops willing stop people for any conceivable violation so they can get a look, because most time most Black folks (and this is just my experience) never have their admin stuff together which just gives a bad cop more room to continue to delay and screw with you. A bad cop will screw with white folks as well, just black folks are statistically more likely to have more things wrong because most times they don't have the money to fix the problem. This poor guy Walter Scott, when you watch the video was slow to get the license, had some story about going to buy the car, didn't have the papers and on and on. He didn't know his tail light was out since he was just planning to buy the car. That led to the stop. He was also worried about a possible warrant out for his arrest. You think there is a warrant? Go turn yourself in and get it fixed. Better than getting killed. Thank you for reading this and feel free to pass this along. I've trained my kids and they are white professionals - because this can happen to anybody and it happens all to often in this nation. Black (all lives) matter.
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Even if 99% of police are good, there are still going to be thousands of bad cops. Thousands of bad cops out there is a serious problem, at the same time we need to remember that the vast majority put their lives on the line for us day in and day out... and they deserve our gratitude and respect.
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SFC Jeff Stevenson
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Using your argument with Islamist, would you still say the same? Or with citizens with CCW's? I will say that there are good with the bad. It is evident in all professions. From clowns claiming to be better than they are , (Stolen Valor) to guards, to EMT, and you name it. Even firefighters who have caused fires to look like heroes. So I will stick to my loyalties and back each and every LE officer and maybe, follow the law, obey their commands, be polite and respectful, and bet I am not pictured on youtube being chased and shot by anyone.
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COL Ted Mc
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SFC Jeff Stevenson Sergeant; If you had phrased your question as "Using your argument with Muslims, would you still say the same?", my answer would be "Yes.".

However, that was not the question you asked.

The question you asked was the equivalent of "Using your argument with 'sociopathic murderers' would you still claim that most of them were not 'sociopathic murderers'?"

It helps to keep the distinctions between "Muslim", "Islamist", and "Sociopathic Murderer" clear when referring to people.

If you want to ask me "Should we be acting on the assumption that not all Sociopathic Murderers are Sociopathic Murderers?" my answer is going to be "No.".
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CPO Hospital Corpsman
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SFC Stevenson: " So I will stick to my loyalties and back each and every LE officer..."

You acknowledge that that there are bad cops out there yet you still state you will back "each and every LE officer". Why are you backing bad cops? That is one of the biggest problems with law enforcement and one of the biggest complaints the public has against law enforcement. When bad cops are identified, all too often the system backs the bad cop instead of treating them like the criminal with a badge that they are.

As for your closing remark, I wonder if you blame the lady with the short skirt for the criminal activities of her assaulter the same as you blame the unarmed father running away for the criminal activities of the murderous law enforcement officer? What about the LEOs that arrived on scene after the shooting and lied in their official reports to help cover for the killer cop?
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MSgt Charles Johnson
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The ballistics would have shown (if there were no videos) that he shot him in the back, approx distance, and the body position when the bullets hit. The officer would have been investigated regardless. As to the situation, certainly looks like a bad call. I wonder, what in the heck the officer was thinking. Was he thinking, the guy grabbed my taser, I warded him off, he still has it (note I think its on the ground) so I can't let him escape. Or was he thinking murder. The officer has the duty to restrain the individual. Do other video's (they say they have) show that the officer was injured and incapable of chasing him down? Most officers will tell you they do not let anyone who attacks an Officer escape...no matter what...because if you attack an Officer, you certainly will attack anyone else you come across during your escape. Interesting case here. I'm not liking that video, but, withhold judgement until the court shows more evidence. I did notice that after the Officer shot him, he glanced directly into the camera. Interesting reaction on his part after seeing it (if he saw it.).
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MSgt Manuel Diaz
MSgt Manuel Diaz
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I recon he's lucky he got shot because the next charges he would have got would have been without a doubt resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer. Then he would have been beaten while handcuffed and had narcotics and weapons found on him and then committed suicide in his jail cell. Pretty much standard across the country no matter what color you are, it just depends who the majority minority is in the area of the unchecked police proceedures and the SWAT Team mentality for a traffic offense and an officer hates when the people know their constitutional rights which contradict his police authority so he loses all common sense instead of just saying " I'll give you a warming this time .. have a nice day."
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Without the video we would not have seen the officer planting his Taser next to the victim. Without the video most would have believed the officer's claim the victim took his Taser and was going to use it against the officer. Without the video most would believe the officer claim that he was "in fear for my life" and had to shoot. Without the video most would have believed the falsified police reports filed by arriving officers that help cover for the shooter.

The victim was a father behind on child support payments (a civil offense recently turned into a criminal matter). The event began with a traffic stop claiming the 3rd brake light was out. The victim ran off during the computer check. The officer was uninjured. After the officer caught up to the victim in the park (arms distance), witnesses said the victim ran again to avoid being Tasered in retaliation for running. When the victim ran, the officer pulled his gun and fired. After shooting the officer radioed that the victim took his Taser. After cuffing the dying victim (proper protocol) the officer retrieved his Taser and dropped it next to the victim to justify the shooting. I guess the father will not be making any child support payments and the child will live life without the support of his father. The "criminals" in this incident all wore badges.
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SSG John Erny
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That is cold blooded murder.
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CPT Zachary Brooks
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It appears the officer failed to warn the suspect before firing, according to an eye witness.

http://news.yahoo.com/protest-planned-white-sc-officer-charged-murder-092432016.html
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Sir, a "warning" is never required when lethal force is justified. In fact many jurisdictions outlawed things like "warning shots" and many others prohibit it by policy. Lethal force is not justified against an unarmed fleeing misdemeanor suspect that does not pose an immediate threat.
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SPC Daniel Edwards
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I am wondering if they are taught not to shoot someone that is moving away from them. In combat arms, we are taught to not engage an enemy if they are not facing us and if they are not posing a threat to anyone else. This guy was running away. I personally would not have shot him unless I knew for sure he was an immediate threat.
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MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P
MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P
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I don't know about this officer but I was taught in the Academy to NOT shoot a suspect who was facing/running away from me.
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"In combat arms, we are taught to not engage an enemy if they are not facing us and if they are not posing a threat to anyone else." Hmm, not sure if you are saying exactly what you meaning... You might just be misusing the term "enemy".

We were taught to shoot targets moving towards us and moving away from us. I liked shooting pop-up and moving targets much more that fixed paper bull's eyes. We were also taught to set ambushes and sometimes we let the patrol pass through the L before opening fire --effectively shooting the "enemy" in the back. In combat it does not matter if the "enemy" is facing you or running with his back toward you.

ARDP 3-0 defines an enemy as “a party identified as hostile against which the use of
force is authorized”. Front, back, side, top or bottom -- as long as they haven't surrendered or been captured, the use of force is generally authorized but that is where the ROE comes into play.
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SPC Daniel Edwards
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CPO (Join to see) it is referring to the fact that someone shot at me but stopped firing and is now running away. My unit trained me to not engage a person that is running away.
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CPO Hospital Corpsman
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In limited situations that may be true but I think you should seek clarification on that. If the attacker is still armed then lethal force is typically still authorized. An armed attacker that will shoot at a Soldier/Cop is generally still viewed as an immediate threat to the public even if the attacker turns and runs away while still carrying his firearm. If the fleeing attacker is armed and you have a clear shot (in range, nothing in the way, no bystander/hazard in the background, etc), in most situations you are likely justified to use lethal force (aka: shoot). However, the ROE changes based off location and mission so follow the ROE for your specific operation.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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Kind of a combination of the choices. I think this kind of stuff does happen - not often but it does happen and this guy got caught red handed.

Based on the video this guy crossed over to the dark side BIG TIME. IF the suspect grabbed his taser then ran, when was the officer's life in danger?? and then what looks like a plant after the subject was cuffed - awfully suspicious! What is shocking and disturbing is that the officer is calm and collective like he's on a pistol range.

Now with everything shown thus far I think its premature to throw the race card. its unfortunate that a difference in race in a police/suspect shooting is an automatic trigger for a racial issue.
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I think yelling racism tends to turn off some people who would normally be incline to support the victim's cause. I feel police mistreatment is more often related to class than race or ethnicity but the later two influences are still alive and well. Individuals who can afford legal representation, especially if they have access to key civilian figures (chief, mayor, council, governor, etc), are treated with far less abuse that those without such protection.

To remain calm and collected during/after a fire fight is an admired characteristic in the military so it does not shock or disturb me to see LEO act that way. In fact, in truly life threatening situations, it is typically a sign of professionalism. I admire the professionalism you can hear in the voice on the cockpit recorder when things are going bad, as compared to the screams and cries often heard in the recording of other professions when things go bad.

The officer does look a little stunned watching the other officers in the longer version of the video. But the motivation for shock could be different by that point.

The reports that arriving officers falsified their official reports to support the shooting is evidence that "this kind of stuff" happens more often than one might think. The mere fact that the second officer on the scene allowed the shooter to alter the crime scene and plant evidence without calling BS is a big flag as to how acceptable it may be within that agency.
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SFC Mark Merino
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My OCD demands I make a comment and put this to 75 comments.....
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