Posted on Apr 12, 2015
Politically Correct, do you speak PC?
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Reference Army Times of 13APR2015. The article: "West Point adds female cadets as Army gender barriers fall"; reads: "West Point doesn't have quotas, but it does have diversity goals for gender, race and other demographic categories, designed to match the ideal breakdown of the future officer corps."
My question to RP is: don't 'diversity goals' equal 'quotas'?
My question to RP is: don't 'diversity goals' equal 'quotas'?
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Edited 11 y ago
Posted 11 y ago
Responses: 24
I am not a fan of political correctness, though tact is important, as is situational awareness.
Regarding diversity goals and quotas, I agree with your assessment.
Regarding diversity goals and quotas, I agree with your assessment.
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025 CSM.... My 2 cents... No.
Let me expand my position
I answer no because the Army, in my opinion should be a representation of the United States. In order to gain that end state, the Army has to provide those folks that have the potential to be something that we, the Military, need for that future. Those folks come from all backgrounds, ethnicities, and sexes. Unfortunately, history shows that most of the time when leaders\managers are not given criteria/goals... these folks tend to select other folks that are like like themselves. That's not my opinion... that is a sociological fact... and one I see play out all the time... and yes even still today in the Army. Unless leadership is vigilent.
I was told by my 1SG when 5 of us were lateral promoted to CPL the following "Corporals! We're making you NCOs because of the the potential we see... This ain't a reward for what you've done... Screw it up and you'll be a SP4 again" and within 90 days only Royal and I were left.
Just because a person of a varied background gets to West Point... Or any other training or school... doesn't mean they'll capitalize on the chance/opportunity... That means hard work.
Again... Just my 2 cents
Let me expand my position
I answer no because the Army, in my opinion should be a representation of the United States. In order to gain that end state, the Army has to provide those folks that have the potential to be something that we, the Military, need for that future. Those folks come from all backgrounds, ethnicities, and sexes. Unfortunately, history shows that most of the time when leaders\managers are not given criteria/goals... these folks tend to select other folks that are like like themselves. That's not my opinion... that is a sociological fact... and one I see play out all the time... and yes even still today in the Army. Unless leadership is vigilent.
I was told by my 1SG when 5 of us were lateral promoted to CPL the following "Corporals! We're making you NCOs because of the the potential we see... This ain't a reward for what you've done... Screw it up and you'll be a SP4 again" and within 90 days only Royal and I were left.
Just because a person of a varied background gets to West Point... Or any other training or school... doesn't mean they'll capitalize on the chance/opportunity... That means hard work.
Again... Just my 2 cents
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ABSOLUTELY!
It is ridiculous when the Department SGM comes in and tells a Female that she is the only person eligible for E-7 so she will make it no matter what.
When you utilize race and gender instead of qualifications and ability the Military gets much weaker.
Are we trying to be the best Military or the most Politically Correct?
Leaders should devise an all around testing method which all Soldiers should be able to perform. It should be something both written and physical tasking so as not to focus on one area as some perform better at written while others do better with physical events.
It is ridiculous when the Department SGM comes in and tells a Female that she is the only person eligible for E-7 so she will make it no matter what.
When you utilize race and gender instead of qualifications and ability the Military gets much weaker.
Are we trying to be the best Military or the most Politically Correct?
Leaders should devise an all around testing method which all Soldiers should be able to perform. It should be something both written and physical tasking so as not to focus on one area as some perform better at written while others do better with physical events.
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CSM Charles H:
I think I comes out to be the same in the end. Some wiseacre p.c.er Would point out the word goal and try to justify the word.
I think I comes out to be the same in the end. Some wiseacre p.c.er Would point out the word goal and try to justify the word.
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I find myself simply saying nothing or leaving the convseration instead of agreeing with Political Correctness. It has pervaded our institution to the point where I don't feel I can give my personal opinion in most "official" discussions without repurcussions. In this case I agree with your analysis CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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Diversity Goals are quotas, and it's bullshit. This is the fucking US military. Do we want to be culturally pretty, or do we want to kick ass? Today - I don't even know. I want the best people out there to do the job. I don't care what you are or what you classify yourself to be. If you are the best at the job, then go do the damn job.
How's that for PC?
How's that for PC?
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My goal is to be a millionaire, Now will someone make that a quota so it will happen?
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CSM, they are one and the same. I have no problem with giving any group a chance to compete for opportunity, but EARN IT. That's all. Clearly defined requirements for clearly defined programs. When all clearly qualified applicants are found, then choosing from the pool of qualified can lead to diversity goals when supply exceeds demand. Otherwise, we're filling quotas.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
There are subtle differences, which I doubt the article explains adequately.
It is much like the promotion data on the bottom of USMC Maradmins (E6-E9), which gives statistical information. If you didn't know better, you would think they related to "quotas" when in fact they are a tracking mechanism for representation more than anything else.
It is much like the promotion data on the bottom of USMC Maradmins (E6-E9), which gives statistical information. If you didn't know better, you would think they related to "quotas" when in fact they are a tracking mechanism for representation more than anything else.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
Capt Richard I P. Just because the stories sound similar, doesn't mean they have the same endings.
Take our Ranger School & Marine IOC stories. They are very 'similar' stories... we don't know how the Ranger one will end yet though, however we've seen the data on the Marine side.
Take our Ranger School & Marine IOC stories. They are very 'similar' stories... we don't know how the Ranger one will end yet though, however we've seen the data on the Marine side.
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