Posted on Jul 16, 2015
LTC Jason Strickland
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Almost 1/3 of young adults are too overweight to even be considered for military service. This hampers our readiness, puts even more pressure on recruiters, and has over the years has caused our leaders to modify some entrance standards. How can we address this so that our military continues to have a plentiful pool of candidates?
http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/2015/07/15/report-nearly-1-in-3-young-adults-too-fat-for-military/30178023/
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SSgt Station Commander
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We don't need to do anything. Those that want to serve won't let that stand in their way, they will lose the weight. That is the kind of person we want in the Military anyways.
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SFC Marcus Belt
SFC Marcus Belt
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Edward Samsen - Certainly. But the issue may be twofold: one issue is that you have to make someone WANT to enlist. More and more, military service is a "family business". That may not be a sustainable may to maintain our military power. After you've made them want to enlist, you have to convince them to make the lifestyle changes to enlist BEFORE they're actually getting a paycheck and indoctrinated into the culture.

All the anecdotes by senior enlisted personnel and senior officers ignore the fact that they came from a different time. When I first enlisted in '89, 1/3 of the US was not obese. Times have changed. Less than 1% of our population has any military experience, and that's after we've been at war for the better part of two decades.

Asking a person to "soldier-up" before they're Soldiers may be a bridge too far.
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Edward Samsen
Edward Samsen
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SFC Marcus Belt - Unfortunately too few of our young people are involved in athletics, Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts. All of these assist in the physical conditioning of youth. I remember as an 11 0r 12 year old humping a rucksack and later an external frame pack full of camping gear to my final destination. Once there we often hiked to other locations returning to our campsite by night. I am sure you can tell among your troops who were scouts and who were not

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SFC Marcus Belt
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Not disagreeing. Not entirely anyway.

But the number of people who meet that requirement has dropped below DoD attrition numbers.

That's gotta get fixed.
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1LT Luke Flowers
1LT Luke Flowers
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I disagree. The primary problem with that statement is it completely egocentric and does nothing toward unlocking potential. It’s the lazy “I’m good” answer.

We have a lot of work to do to fix the multiple issues that contribute to the malaise and lackadaisical attitude toward readiness. Starting with how we view individual readiness and compensate/reward performance. The reality is not everyone is a stud, studs get broken and burnt out because they get overworked and the political agenda bullshit/social engineering/social and cultural norms that all influence readiness down to the operational units and individuals need to be addressed in order to recruit/train/retain top talent.
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SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
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How about returning PE to schools.
"But even as virtually every state has undertaken significant school reforms, many American students are being granted little or no time in the gym."
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/11/education/even-as-schools-battle-obesity-physical-education-is-sidelined.html?_r=0
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CW4 Scott Hyde
CW4 Scott Hyde
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PE is great but when you stuff your pie hole 47 times a day and drink 37 Mountain Dews a day, you are going to be a fat a55. No way around it.

We need to approach physical activity as doing it for yourself, not for the grade or the Army. We seem to reward obesity by ignoring it. Kids now may he lucky to make it to 40 without a heart attack.
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Sgt Richard Sprague
Sgt Richard Sprague
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SPC Jan Allbright, you are misinformed and posting alternative facts. if Not every state has removed P.E. from school. https://www.shapeamerica.org//advocacy/son/upload/shape-of-the-nation-infographic1.pdf
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SGT Richard Lambert
SGT Richard Lambert
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What is wrong with the old days? PT everyday, basic training you have fat and skinny troops,, the Army molded them into shape, and after basic PT was a everyday duty.
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SFC Ron Gitzendanner
SFC Ron Gitzendanner
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SGT Richard Lambert - In your "simplicity", this is actually a beautiful idea and approach. I don't see that the military can actually do anything to the civilian population, and least wise the American youth. But they can take someone and make them (mold, develop, whatever you want to call it) into a decent and fit trooper.. They did me, when I was 19.
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SGT Kristin Wiley
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I agree with SSgt (Join to see) , for recruits we do not need to do anything. For our current military members there are a lot of changes that can be made in the DFACs and during PT that can help keep us a healthy and fit military force.
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SPC Sheila Lewis
SPC Sheila Lewis
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That's right...
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Pool of potential enlistees is shrinking - due to obesity - any suggestions?
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LTC Jason Strickland The problem is greater than the Army's needs. It's a reflection on the health and physical activity level of the nation. Fast food, processed food, the growth toward the singular family instead of community have all contributed to this, combined with areas of "Food Deserts" where there are five fast food resteraunts for one grocery store, combine this with playing video games, iPhone surfing, and computers being regarded as activities and what we have is an out of shape and overweight population. As a nation, as parents and as individuals we should do what we can to change this. Some ideas might be do food prep on the weekend and set aside individual prepared meals to grab and go during the week, change the kind of snacks we have available to healthy ones like apples, oranges, bananas (teens eat what is available), have healthy go to options for when you're in a hurry that are portable. don't buy coke by the case but do buy water by the case.
Support desires to participate in club sports as well as school sports, encourage healthy group activities bike riding, hiking. Introduce them to new types of activities boxing, rowing, rock climbing...
Start programs to encourage, give ideas, and teach healthy habits in your community. Start with your own family, spread it to your neighbors... It doesn't have to start big.

It's all about starting healthy habits early, not giving in to what is easy, saying no.

For those in the Army we need to enforce Army standards. There is already a program in place that offers weight counseling, medical intervention (identify if the person is unable to lose weight for a medial reason), meal planning through a dietitian... If someone wants to stay in, stay healthy,.... they'll put forth the effort to do so.
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PO2 Jeffery Reiser
PO2 Jeffery Reiser
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PT is only part of the solution, education on nutrician is equally as important... Technology is great but it is also killing us. We need to take away all of their technological wizardry (toys) then they will find themselves in the dark ages unprepared for what the future may throw at them... They cannot forage for food, build a shelter, make a fire... in essence, they are not prepared for survival... Need to get back to basics!
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COL John McClellan
COL John McClellan
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Great comments! Among the societal causal factors in less attention on nutritious meals for youth, more fast food, etc. > economics. Far more households with all adults working; lack of growth in wages at the bottom = more people eating cheaper, but far lower quality foods; aggressive advertising of "faster, easier"... crap; decline in local $$s available for after-school programs and even (some) sports now; vending machine in schools; etc. all contribute. Sedentary "online" world replacing the "go out and play" world, too!
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SPC Tony Pacheco
SPC Tony Pacheco
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I think that in the army, we are told the standard and given every opportunity to fail. Think about the amount of vending machines on a given post. Think about how accessible they are. Think about the junk that fills most of the spaces. What about all the damn fast food places all over the place. Ripits, monsters, Red Bull’s and all sorts of other energy drinks that are nothing more than highly processed, sugar filled caffeine money machines for afes. I always found it funny.... not so much anymore. I also used to believe that it’s the individuals responsibility to make the right decision. I still do to a point. After getting out, I went to culinary school. By the time I graduated, I learned enough about the food industry to know that it’s pretty much a guaranteed victory for them. I think the army and the entire DOD should severely regulate what can be sold to service members on military instillations.
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SFC Marcus Belt
SFC Marcus Belt
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PO2 Jeffery Reiser - You're advocating educating people for The End of the World as We Know It?

Foraging as a basic education class? Not sure that's the way to go, or entirely possible.
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MAJ Bill Maynard
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Double the number of Army JROTC programs in the USA... I'll PT them enough for them to all meet the entrance standards.
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SPC Sheila Lewis
SPC Sheila Lewis
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CW4 Scott Hyde - Still continues as a malfunction in this American society, fix the family, fix the home, fix this obesity issue. Enlistment in Our American Military should be the apex in the lifetime of those who choose to serve.
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CW4 Scott Hyde
CW4 Scott Hyde
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SPC Sheila Lewis - Is it not? What is your point?
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SPC Sheila Lewis
SPC Sheila Lewis
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CW4 Scott Hyde - Doesn't seem like it is, Chief. My point is do what is necessary if You want to be in the Service.
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CW4 Scott Hyde
CW4 Scott Hyde
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For many, it is. For those who serve, it certainly is. Yes, you do what you need to do but my point is we push PT as the fix all for fat. That is a piece of the pie but the problem is pie. I have seen good Soldiers, who failed to embrace nutrition in their fat fight, get the boot even though they PT'd their eyes out to make the cut. Sure, we have become lazy as a society. Some you will never get in, some will never respect our profession, some do not appreciate it until it is too late. Similar problem 30 years ago.
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GySgt Fred Martinez
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I think the physical fitness standards in all need to be higher we are a force that needs to be ready. Bad guys ain't going to wait for you to get in shape.
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No suggestions. It just takes heart to meet the demands of the military. When you look at the enlistee, you can tell a lot by how they look. Unfortunately in the private sector they look at that as well. First impression last a lifetime.
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LTC Jason Strickland
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SPC Sheila Lewis
SPC Sheila Lewis
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LTC Jason Strickland - As long as You show up...
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SSgt Isidro Galguera
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Lets don't just blame lack of PE at schools. My kids have always joined sports motivated by me and the wife. Gymnastics, cross country, track, anything to get your body busy. If you want to serve then you will pay the price to get in shape. So many young people join out of shape expecting boot camp (especially Marines and Army0 to be a summer camp. Then they complain that they fail because the military was against them. Suck it up!!! Semper Fi!
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1SG Senior Enlisted Advisor
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The fix would be involved public education. Increase national awareness and promote better living through vast media tools available today. Technology is one of the major inhibitors of physical activity kets use it toward the fix. The young spend an enormous amount of time in front of computers, game consoles, and phones. Parents need to be the enforcers by limiting this time.
We as a military can continue to demand high physical standards. Annalysis as shown that SMs who were obese prior to entry tend to fall off the wagon and eventually are discharged for overweight. Not all, but more than those who enter service with good habits already in place. With the drawdown in military numbers we can continue for some time without major impact to recruitment.

Increased National health campaigning is a good start. Target the adults who have the greatest impact on our nations youth. Embedded healthy habit messaging into the the lives of our youths. Marketing folks use this technique for sales, lets make it work for our nations future.
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SGT Indirect Fire Infantryman (Mortarman)
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I agree but how the political climate is now and all the cuts to education I don't think these would work.
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SFC G2 Ops Mcp Ncoic
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The real problem is "Habit". Human beings are creatures of Habit. Physical training is the only thing that is instilled in us by force instead by habit. We dress ourselves, we get our ASUs ready by ourselves. We salute and say "sir or ma'am" out of habit. But often PT in the morning is something that doesn't follow those guidelines. The best way to instill this Habit is to have soldiers do PT on their own (which every way you think is best). The 2nd thing I would do, is get rid of some of these vending machines. Seriously do we need a candy machine in the damn GYM. The 3rd thing is get rid of the FAST FOOD in the food court. Subway is fine but seriously "Popeyes". You have any idea how much weight soldiers gain because of that. Healthier alternatives at the Shoppette would help as well.
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