Posted on Mar 20, 2015
Putting females in male-dominated military roles: Has anyone done a study to determine the % of females that disagree with this action?
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First let me say I am not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone, just wondering if and where I missed something. I see a lot about women going into these different positions and saying it is their right to do so, now my question.......has anyone did a poll or study as to the percentage of women who don't want or disagree with this action? I am just asking as I may have just missed seeing it.
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SFC Collin McMillion
The biggest problem I have with this whole issue is that it appears that certain women want the right to fill any position, IF THEY WANT TO, but do not want to be REQUIRED to fill them if they don't want to, as men are.
I believe in equality and believe that women should be given the same opportunities as men, as long as there is a level playing field. No special privileges, different standards, etc. If there is a need for different standards due to physiology or whatever, there can never really be true equality and, therefore, there is justification to exclude women (or men, for that matter) from certain positions/functions.
The biggest problem I have with this whole issue is that it appears that certain women want the right to fill any position, IF THEY WANT TO, but do not want to be REQUIRED to fill them if they don't want to, as men are.
I believe in equality and believe that women should be given the same opportunities as men, as long as there is a level playing field. No special privileges, different standards, etc. If there is a need for different standards due to physiology or whatever, there can never really be true equality and, therefore, there is justification to exclude women (or men, for that matter) from certain positions/functions.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
CPT Zachary Brooks I was in a Support Section (S2), Line Platoon (S2/Scout Sniper/SACO), Support Company (H&S), in a Line BN (3/1). See how quickly it goes wonky.
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CPT Zachary Brooks
TSgt Hunter Logan
In order to transfer from PA to NC they almost made me a Chemical Officer due to an overflow of Intelligence Officers. When I branched they had me pick my choices in order, we had one guy who got his second to last choice. Another CPT I work with was branched her last choice out of OCS.
Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
I think we will have to agree to disagree on the job standards thing. While I can see it getting wonky, I also do not want standards lowered (for either sex) if it debilitates the ability to accomplish the mission for the unit.
In order to transfer from PA to NC they almost made me a Chemical Officer due to an overflow of Intelligence Officers. When I branched they had me pick my choices in order, we had one guy who got his second to last choice. Another CPT I work with was branched her last choice out of OCS.
Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
I think we will have to agree to disagree on the job standards thing. While I can see it getting wonky, I also do not want standards lowered (for either sex) if it debilitates the ability to accomplish the mission for the unit.
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COL Jean (John) F. B.
TSgt Hunter Logan
My comments are more general in nature and presuppose that the military gets back to requiring service in particular fields in order to meet its requirements. For example, if the Infantry cannot fill its requirements, it may require other branch personnel to enlist/reenlist or be commissioned in that branch. All I am stating is that females should not be exempt from that requirement solely because of their sex, if they truly want equality. The same goes for the draft. If females want to be able to fill any and all roles and positions in the military, there then is no reason or rationale for excluding them from the draft.
I personally think that there are jobs in the military that women should not be allowed to fill, simply because of their sex. But I am "old school" (way older than you) and know that my opinions are not up to modern standards. So, I will just say that I agree if everything is exactly equal. No special provisions, waivers, exceptions, exemptions, etc.
My comments are more general in nature and presuppose that the military gets back to requiring service in particular fields in order to meet its requirements. For example, if the Infantry cannot fill its requirements, it may require other branch personnel to enlist/reenlist or be commissioned in that branch. All I am stating is that females should not be exempt from that requirement solely because of their sex, if they truly want equality. The same goes for the draft. If females want to be able to fill any and all roles and positions in the military, there then is no reason or rationale for excluding them from the draft.
I personally think that there are jobs in the military that women should not be allowed to fill, simply because of their sex. But I am "old school" (way older than you) and know that my opinions are not up to modern standards. So, I will just say that I agree if everything is exactly equal. No special provisions, waivers, exceptions, exemptions, etc.
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COL Jean (John) F. B.
TSgt Hunter Logan
I agree with you that people who have the drive and will to do something should be given the opportunity to try, unless it would have a detrimental impact in the unit and mission. I am a firm believer that women assigned to an Infantry unit would have a detrimental impact in their ability to complete their assigned missions. It is just nature.
SGT David Schreiner
I know exactly what you are talking about. When I was an MP company commander, a SGT with a Fireman MOS was assigned to my unit. The reason given to me by personnel was that Ft Benning used civilian firefighters and there was no slot for a military fireman. I guess they assumed that being an MP was similar to being a fireman or something (???), although it was an Engineer MOS and there was a whole Engineer Group (brigade equivallent) on post. Anyway, we put him in a formal OJT Program and got him qualified for a secondary MOS as an MP. He performed that mission very well for over a year. Upon time for his reenlistment, he wanted to reenlist for MP. The MP branch declined his application because he was an inch too short. I fought that and got a waiver. Then Engineer branch refused to allow him to reenlist in other than his fireman MOS, because it was a "shortage" MOS. Had to get some high-ranking horsepower to help me get that changed, but we did and he reenlisted as an MP. Last I heard from him, he was an E-8 and the First Sergeant of an MP unit in Germany.
Bottom line is that soldiers may be called upon to perform any duties. Those who want to be equal need to be willing to be equal in all aspects of that word, not just in the things they choose to be equal in.
I agree with you that people who have the drive and will to do something should be given the opportunity to try, unless it would have a detrimental impact in the unit and mission. I am a firm believer that women assigned to an Infantry unit would have a detrimental impact in their ability to complete their assigned missions. It is just nature.
SGT David Schreiner
I know exactly what you are talking about. When I was an MP company commander, a SGT with a Fireman MOS was assigned to my unit. The reason given to me by personnel was that Ft Benning used civilian firefighters and there was no slot for a military fireman. I guess they assumed that being an MP was similar to being a fireman or something (???), although it was an Engineer MOS and there was a whole Engineer Group (brigade equivallent) on post. Anyway, we put him in a formal OJT Program and got him qualified for a secondary MOS as an MP. He performed that mission very well for over a year. Upon time for his reenlistment, he wanted to reenlist for MP. The MP branch declined his application because he was an inch too short. I fought that and got a waiver. Then Engineer branch refused to allow him to reenlist in other than his fireman MOS, because it was a "shortage" MOS. Had to get some high-ranking horsepower to help me get that changed, but we did and he reenlisted as an MP. Last I heard from him, he was an E-8 and the First Sergeant of an MP unit in Germany.
Bottom line is that soldiers may be called upon to perform any duties. Those who want to be equal need to be willing to be equal in all aspects of that word, not just in the things they choose to be equal in.
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SFC Collin McMillion,
The last study I've seen was about a year ago. 1LT Annala posted a link to the article and many of us weighed in with our opinions.
Here's the discussion thread:
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/your-opinion-new-army-report-8-of-army-women-want-combat-jobs
The last study I've seen was about a year ago. 1LT Annala posted a link to the article and many of us weighed in with our opinions.
Here's the discussion thread:
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/your-opinion-new-army-report-8-of-army-women-want-combat-jobs
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SFC Collin McMillion, spoiler alert: Only 8% of female Soldiers wanted a combat job at that time. It would be interesting to know how much that number has increased or decreased in the past year.
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SFC Collin McMillion
Yes it would, especially now since it appears combat positions are going to be open.
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Since the military is composed of about 15% women, I really would like to hear from them, so far almost all the comments I have read are written by men.
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Cpl Michael Strickler
I would think a great deal of women have been having this and other debates for years and are more than likely exhausted from defending themselves...
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SFC Collin McMillion
Just maybe you are right. It gets old having to defend everything you do or want to do.
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Cpl Michael Strickler
Of course on the one hand the only way to begin the process is to continuously fight, but at the same time it should not take that long. The thing for me is this... just some obvious big points: people swore up and down that the world was flat -false; people swore up and down other races were inferior in all respects -god i how we see this as false; people swore up and down that Iwo Jima could not be taken in a million years -haha go USMC; people swore than women could not do the jobs of men -look the hell around, give them more of a chance and I bet they will prove that assumption wrong as well.
It would be nice if instead of assuming things will or will not happen based off of educated guesses we actually gave them a shot and see what happens... kinda like the revolution that happened for our nation a few years back that no one said was possible.
It would be nice if instead of assuming things will or will not happen based off of educated guesses we actually gave them a shot and see what happens... kinda like the revolution that happened for our nation a few years back that no one said was possible.
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SFC Collin McMillion
As an old soldier, I feel I have seen and did a lot that others may not. Is it possible that what we are seeing now is not "revolution", but "evolution"?
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