Posted on Oct 28, 2018
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Do you feel that your service and retired status should give you influence and/or favor in how your child is treated within his unit? Should he be treated special in any different manner as long as he is properly cared for and the orders he is given is lawful, moral and ethical. Is you child so super more important to you that I should not enforce the standard to him?

Should your child get a pass from being forward deployed into the fight zone as an infantry soldier because of your past service? And that service you did never placed you into harms way?

Oh and then when you are pushing this type of narrative, you deem your child should not only be released from deployment, but that he receive a letter of recommendation for that same child to be on Officer candidate.
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1SG Civil Affairs Specialist
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Does this truly require a response?

Luckily, I know my children were raised right, and would never even think of trying to get some kind of favorable treatment like this.
They are proud of me, and I of them. What makes me proud is what they earn, not what they were given.
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
MAJ Bryan Zeski
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Same here. My son is enlisted Navy. He knows I'd crush him if he even thought about something stupid like that.
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MSgt Robert Brady
MSgt Robert Brady
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I would Respond to the father as follows. Thank your for your service sir. Right now I am in charge of this outfit and your son/daughter comes under me. We have a mission to accomplish and every person is vital to that mission. Our job is to insure we all come home safely. We work as a team and your child is part of that team.
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MAJ Seth Goldstein
MAJ Seth Goldstein
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Right? I do not get that one.
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COL Jon Lopey
COL Jon Lopey
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1SG: No one could have said it better! Thank you for your service and leadership. COL L
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
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I feel like you know the answers to all of these questions already.

One thing is add is that most infantry folks that I worked with WANTED to deploy and would be pretty upset of someone tried to screw that up for them.
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1stSgt Jeff Blovat
1stSgt Jeff Blovat
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Way back in Desert Storm 1, I was over seas in active duty as a buck Sgt. Desert Storm 2, I was in the box as a E-6. As a “top” I wanted to deploy but retirement called. I advise anyone who is new to the military to go TDY, or over seas to see how things are done. A bit different than state side.
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COL Jon Lopey
COL Jon Lopey
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Major: I salute you! We serve as Soldiers and I once served as a Marine to fight - primarily because that is what we are trained and paid to do. We fight to protect our nation and in many cases other less fortunate allies that need our help. Obviously, we fight to support the man or woman to our left, right, rear, or front. A strong military and brave volunteers like you are what deter wars. We have been attacked as a nation or challenged when we allowed our military to be weakened through budget cuts, political indifference, and too often we do not learn or remember the lessons of history. God Bless you for your service and for setting us straight. One more thing, I was on active-duty during Viet Nam and later, I was in the National Guard and Army Reserves. We started getting deployed more around Desert Shield/Storm and I always volunteered because I thought it was the right thing to do. The reserve forces are much stronger and resolute now because most service members know they will probably be deployed and many of them are combat veterans. Those unwilling to deploy may have legitimate reasons such as family issues or other factors influencing their decisions but in my humble opinion, if you are not willing to deploy you are in the wrong business. COL L
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
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Frankly, if I were put in a position in which a retired SM attempted to influence anything having to do with their child's career, I would tell them outright to fuck off.
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SSG Robert Perrotto
SSG Robert Perrotto
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SSgt Joseph Baptist - yes - I try hard not to get into pissing contests with Soldiers 2 ranks above me, I learned the hard way that even if I am right, I am wrong. You just cannot tell field grade officers or NCO's that their vision or plan is just plain stupid, even if you have a solution. though they are right quick to say your plan or solution is stupid.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
SGT Joseph Gunderson
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SPC Mark Huddleston especially the damn horse!
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
1stSgt Nelson Kerr
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F O is the proper response
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1SG Infantryman
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PFC (Join to see) put it in writing an email communication and tell him the Army Standard
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Retired E8-E9, should your status be used as a bully platform?
CW5 Jack Cardwell
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Let the child make their own way !
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CSM Richard StCyr
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The answers are all obvious.... NO. Sounds like someone peed in Tops Wheaties.

My oldest son and I deployed to Iraq on the same rotation in 2003, he was with the Field Artillery out of Sill and I had the 62nd Engineers out of Hood. I knew and had served with his NCO Support channel from 1SG to BDE CSM and he would tell me that they used to tell him that if he didn't keep his nose clean they'd call me. Kind of the reverse of what you describe.
Later in 05-07 I was in Iraq again and he went to Afghanistan, I'd get e-mails from friends in the Infantry and Artillery that they had run into him and a SITREP. Never felt compelled to stick my nose in anyone's business and he never complained about his units.
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1SG Infantryman
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Not that the wheaties got pissed in but, one day I will get face time with this CSM and he will know who I am and exactly what I think about his and his kids case of pussitis
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CSM Richard StCyr
CSM Richard StCyr
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1SG (Join to see) - Like I said someone has incurred the wrath of the 1SG hence Wheaties have been pissed in.
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SGM Bill Frazer
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NO- He's a grown man now, let him make his own way in his own world!
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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In the first place that would be completely improper in My opinion and any show of special treatment or favors based on Who You know never has and never will sit well with Me. I wouldn't lower Myself to using undue influence on anybody's assignment for special treatment or lack the ethics to tell Me that is wrong. I would never have wanted anyone I knew trying to influence anything like that for Me and no one ever has and I wouldn't do it either. Be it employment or Military service Your offspring need to be able to stand on their own two feet and in no way are You doing them a favor in the long run. I also feel that undue influence attempt would do more harm than good. I'm not interest in who You know or what influence You think You have and as far as I'm concerned that is a strike against You to think You can force Your way into special treatment that way. I would expect that child to show proper respect for those assigned over Him and obey their orders without any debate, don't expect any special treatment or consideration and work as part of the team He is a member of. It is His or Her own performance I'll use as a measure as to their worth as a complete team player on their own individual effort and result of their own work not any outside attempts at pressure. If I don't feel someone deserves a recommendation they won't get it, only that individual can earn that endorsement !
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SGM Erik Marquez
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Im hoping all of those are rhetorical questions as the answers are obvious and not really up for discussion.
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MSgt John Taylor
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Then why would you let your kid enlist in the first place?
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1SG Robert (Bob) Conte
1SG Robert (Bob) Conte
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John, That's a very good question. This new soldiers of E-8 and E-9's deserve not have any interference from their Fathers!! I know if I was the 1SG of the Company I would ask them (fathers) to leave my company AO!
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CSM Danny S.
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Retired is not a rank and being a previous Sr NCO this person should understand this. I would tell him to write his Congressman and don't discuss this with me again. This person must not understand how much harder life will be for the child as well. Once everyone finds out about this crap everyone looks at him/her differently.
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SSG Recon Team Leader
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That’s a hard no 1SG. I just got done chaptering an individual last week who’s father is a CSM.

Just because you share the same name as someone who’s done great things doesn’t mean you can get a pass for being a megaturd.
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LTC Trent Klug
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I have never had any retired senior enlisted interfere in any way. I have had one retired commissioned officer from a different service try. Try being the operative word.

Short story: In Boot Camp, one of the recruit's dad was a Marine Colonel (still serving). To his credit, the recruit never thought about invoking Dad's name. But we knew about him.

Night before graduation, we were told no showers. The recruit was caught taking one early that morning and was fired from being a Squad Leader.

Graduation is complete and we meet the Colonel. He's in civilian clothes (he wanted it to be his son's day) and asks about his son being in the last rank, instead of up front. When he found out, he went right to the Drill Instructors...and thanked them...for doing the right thing (minus the NJP). Then he told his son how lucky he was not to be facing "office hours"
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SMSgt Will Bynum
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No way in H.E. double hockey stick
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MSG James Douglas
MSG James Douglas
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lol.....haven't heard that on in a while.
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MSG Dan Foster
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ANY retired service member attempting to impose their prior service and/or rank to influence lawful decisions for a family member currently serving needs to first, get their head out of their ass and second, realize the time to influence family members is before they make the commitment. My grandson, a senior in High School is contemplating military service. My job is to ensure he gets the facts, help him achieve the highest possible scores on test and ensure his decision is made with eyes wide open. At this point helping him obtain information and asking questions he may not ask is my duty as a grandfather. If he makes the decision to enlist my advice will be to prepare to “suck it up”. This reminds of parents who say they support military service but not for their children.
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MSG James Douglas
MSG James Douglas
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Excellent......1000% correct!!
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MSG Frank Kapaun
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It is the army, where all animals are created equal, some are just more equal than others.
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CPL Peter King
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No. The child joined of their free will, they don’t get special privileges.

The commander is responsible for ensuring no one is put in this situation.
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SSG Informaticist   It
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Sht! I do not know how this person (E8,E9) raised their kid, but if I called my father and cried about having to deploy in my first unit, he would not of called, he would of drove there, kicked my ass, and through me on the first plane leaving himself. Maybe daddy (E8,E9) should step back and not try to influence anything, in most cases that just causes resentment among peers and eventually he gets put into his place like "I do not give a rats ars who your daddy is, go clean the latrine, sweep, mob, and take the trash out Mr. Daddies boy since doing your job is to scary for you". And his career has already started off as a little cry baby anyway so good luck the rest of the way.
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SPC Bryan Chomas
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I’d want my child to thrive and be put to the test with his fellow warriors...my son is 5 months old, and I often wonder how his mother especially would handle it. Obviously I’d never want the unthinkable to happen....but is it wrong that id WANT him in the suck?
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1SG Infantryman
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SM is of age and chose to put himself if needed in the preverbal "SUCK". Your right No one really "WANTS" to go but do so because of their commitment to Duty, Honor, Integrity. These are not just buzz words. They do mean something to those that have gone many times and will go again as called until they do that Retire thing.
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SPC Bryan Chomas
SPC Bryan Chomas
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I got so severely depressed upon getting med boarded on my 2nd enlistment. I had been deemed unfit for infantry due to injuries. I just in recent times came back to myself. I couldn’t imagine not wanting to go perform my skills and do my job when given the chance
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SGT Ernest Huerta
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Sounds like NEPOTISM.
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SFC Michael Woody
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I'm familiar to this situation as I was a military brat that joined the Army. My father was an Infantry Officer, by way of OCS, and was a former NCO, E-6. An Airborne Ranger and former Mechanized Infantry Company Commander, I truly wished he'd show me favor by alerting his Infantry and Ranger network I was in the service. Joining the strange world of the Army was weird because I was always around it but never invested in it. However, I am a retired Army Ranger, E-7, and never received any such privileges. Some of my friends received great officer appointments and assignments based on legacy, I always thought it unfair. I don't think a parents service should be officially recognized as an advantage to a child of a service member. What's the point of having members in the military if they can be exempt from combat, deployments, other situations because of family legacy. That would only destroy the legacy. I am biased because I never received any special treatment as I sent to combat several times, was deployed in miserable places, and fought fairly for every promotion.
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SSG Robert Perrotto
SSG Robert Perrotto
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the only legacy I support are children of MoH awardees attending a military academy of their choice free of charge. after that, welcome to the suck, earn your way.
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