Posted on May 31, 2015
Road rage against riders, what could this rider have done to mitigate the risk?
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Here's a 2nd story with hazy video of the altercation and a witness interview ...
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Video-Motorcycle-Road-Rage-Death-Navy-Sailor-San-Diego-305681651.html
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Video-Motorcycle-Road-Rage-Death-Navy-Sailor-San-Diego-305681651.html
Vid Shows Road Rage Victim Moments Before Crash
Witnesses of a road rage incident on a San Diego highway in which a Navy officer was killed last week shared video taken just moments before the crash.
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What is going on with people today. Are we turning back into animals?
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Sad to see our brother-in-arms go like that. Nevertheless, road rage-induced homicide is equally bad for all, military and civilian. Hope this case serves as lesson to many others out there who are borderline reckless on the roads.
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I cant get the article to load but you always need an escape route, if nothing else to avoid the visually impotent. They don't see us normally so we should always be prepared to have to make a move to get the hell out of the situation. Don't get me wrong you cant always be ready and preparing for one instance the situation can change and you run out of time to make a move. I found that out the hard way. But when they go for us that's just bad and we may never be prepared for it. I hope the family can find closure
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This is an awful incident with a tragic outcome. CPO Buod didn't deserve any of this and I do hope that the accused is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. While I can understand being angry about ALLEGEDLY getting a boot to your car, that, IN NO WAY, justifies killing a man, regardless of his military status or any other factors. This was a human life that was snuffed out by a bad temper and it's sickening.
This is happening too often these days. People are less cognizant of others on the road as they race to get to where they are going, as fast as they can possibly get there. A good friend of mine lost a brother yesterday too, also in a motorcycle accident, because someone didn't check their mirrors before they made a turn. We in the military are made to sit through countless safety briefs about the dangers of motorcycles, but it's the people in cars that are the biggest threat to a cyclist. The public needs to be educated on how their actions on the road can potentially end a life.
This is happening too often these days. People are less cognizant of others on the road as they race to get to where they are going, as fast as they can possibly get there. A good friend of mine lost a brother yesterday too, also in a motorcycle accident, because someone didn't check their mirrors before they made a turn. We in the military are made to sit through countless safety briefs about the dangers of motorcycles, but it's the people in cars that are the biggest threat to a cyclist. The public needs to be educated on how their actions on the road can potentially end a life.
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SGT Darryl Allen, I had a motorcycle and almost got creamed by a semi. I got rid of it. You're absolutely correct about the public. They don't pay attention or don't care. I had a motorcycle since the 80's and it's always happened. I used to drop roofing nails when they got right on my ass.
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I got my first motorcycle in 1962 and one of the first things I learned was "Never put your bike into a hole you couldn't put a car into - because car drivers simply don't see that that hole exists.".
A long time ago I read of a "visual perception" study that showed that car drivers have a tendency not to actually "see" (read as "visually process available information so that the presence of the object actually registers as the presence of the object") motorcycles on the road.
I get a chuckle out of watching the "pre-dead" on their crotch rockets zooming down the road while I stooge along at whatever speed I feel like enjoying the ride (and on a 30+ year old bike that has a "manufacturer's listed" top speed of 160mph [at 10,000 rpm {which is 'red line'}] but is actually capable of reaching 200mph (admittedly with the engine threatening to throw a piston through my crotch and while I'm going downhill with a tail wind). I have every intention of still riding when I hit 100 - THEN I'll think about getting a red convertible, chest hair implants, and a lot of gold chains and big medallions.
The only way to deal with "road rage" - if you are riding - is not to be there when it happens.
A long time ago I read of a "visual perception" study that showed that car drivers have a tendency not to actually "see" (read as "visually process available information so that the presence of the object actually registers as the presence of the object") motorcycles on the road.
I get a chuckle out of watching the "pre-dead" on their crotch rockets zooming down the road while I stooge along at whatever speed I feel like enjoying the ride (and on a 30+ year old bike that has a "manufacturer's listed" top speed of 160mph [at 10,000 rpm {which is 'red line'}] but is actually capable of reaching 200mph (admittedly with the engine threatening to throw a piston through my crotch and while I'm going downhill with a tail wind). I have every intention of still riding when I hit 100 - THEN I'll think about getting a red convertible, chest hair implants, and a lot of gold chains and big medallions.
The only way to deal with "road rage" - if you are riding - is not to be there when it happens.
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What's even more tragic is that the victim was an active duty Navy Chief Petty Officer.. Also, the driver had just gotten her license back after it had been suspended, and also had a police record for domestic violence.
Allegedly the bike rider had kicked the victim's car, and she in turn retaliated by running him over and killing him.
If any of this is true, and having used to live in California I can believe that it did happen, the Chief may not have been in the right to kick her car (I don't know what she did to cause him to react that way) but that in no way excuses the woman from killing a man.
I myself ride Harleys, and have been cut off/disrespected by cagers. Luckily I was able to avoid dangerous situations, and in fact have had karma rear its head when a cager got pulled over as a result of his dangerous driving. I guess he felt the need to retaliate because I was behind him and changed lanes because the car he was behind was going too slow. I'm sure he didn't see me because he tried to change lanes too and I honked my horn/revved my engine to let him know I was there. He had to get back over and then couldn't change lanes right away because of more traffic. I guess he felt like I cut him off or I was splitting lanes, even though I wasn't. Fellow riders will know that it takes less room for a bike to maneuver/change lanes, and uneducated drivers will see that as lane splitting. I don't lane split as that practice is illegal in Arizona.
My advice to fellow riders? Avoid responding to aggressive drivers, and maybe start carrying a GoPro camera to record these types of incidents.
To the sports bike crowd, and the majority of you ARE responsible riders, save the stunts and high speeds for closed circuit courses/track days.
Allegedly the bike rider had kicked the victim's car, and she in turn retaliated by running him over and killing him.
If any of this is true, and having used to live in California I can believe that it did happen, the Chief may not have been in the right to kick her car (I don't know what she did to cause him to react that way) but that in no way excuses the woman from killing a man.
I myself ride Harleys, and have been cut off/disrespected by cagers. Luckily I was able to avoid dangerous situations, and in fact have had karma rear its head when a cager got pulled over as a result of his dangerous driving. I guess he felt the need to retaliate because I was behind him and changed lanes because the car he was behind was going too slow. I'm sure he didn't see me because he tried to change lanes too and I honked my horn/revved my engine to let him know I was there. He had to get back over and then couldn't change lanes right away because of more traffic. I guess he felt like I cut him off or I was splitting lanes, even though I wasn't. Fellow riders will know that it takes less room for a bike to maneuver/change lanes, and uneducated drivers will see that as lane splitting. I don't lane split as that practice is illegal in Arizona.
My advice to fellow riders? Avoid responding to aggressive drivers, and maybe start carrying a GoPro camera to record these types of incidents.
To the sports bike crowd, and the majority of you ARE responsible riders, save the stunts and high speeds for closed circuit courses/track days.
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SGM Erik Marquez
If I may
Let's change your chastising comment to "riders let's save the stunts and high speeds for track days"
I build, ride and teach others to ride every day for a living and I see as many non sport bike riders doing ignorant things on a bike as I do sport bike riders ...
So let's no single out one group and be honest with our pointing out the offenders no matter what style
Of bike they ride.
Besides its not that Harley riders doubt want to speed, they just can't .....lol
As to aggressive riders ... Absolutely getting in a fight with an enemy that is larger, atronger and potentially more danger io is never a good idea.
I'll add one more thing, when you get cut off, merged into.... Try... Yes try as it's hard to but try to not react with anger fist flying door kicking ... Why? Well what are you hoping for? Behavior modification YEA? So if that's the goal but we know most time the driver never perceived us or never saw us.... When suddenly they find them selfs in the same lane and the biker is freaking out... They do not associate it with something they did wrong All they understand is a wacko biker is going nuts... No behavior modification effected nothing gained
And they have access to a cell phone.. Remember the first one to call 911 is the victim the second is the subject
Let's change your chastising comment to "riders let's save the stunts and high speeds for track days"
I build, ride and teach others to ride every day for a living and I see as many non sport bike riders doing ignorant things on a bike as I do sport bike riders ...
So let's no single out one group and be honest with our pointing out the offenders no matter what style
Of bike they ride.
Besides its not that Harley riders doubt want to speed, they just can't .....lol
As to aggressive riders ... Absolutely getting in a fight with an enemy that is larger, atronger and potentially more danger io is never a good idea.
I'll add one more thing, when you get cut off, merged into.... Try... Yes try as it's hard to but try to not react with anger fist flying door kicking ... Why? Well what are you hoping for? Behavior modification YEA? So if that's the goal but we know most time the driver never perceived us or never saw us.... When suddenly they find them selfs in the same lane and the biker is freaking out... They do not associate it with something they did wrong All they understand is a wacko biker is going nuts... No behavior modification effected nothing gained
And they have access to a cell phone.. Remember the first one to call 911 is the victim the second is the subject
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this is the full video without edits and music with added bonus at the end Facebook.com/jakester142 twitter : https://twitter.com/jakester142 Follow up here ...
And then we have this current event
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dONyv-Cwkoo&oref=https%3A%2F%2Faccounts.google.com%2Fb%2F0%2FVerifiedPhoneInterstitial%3Fcontinue%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.youtube.com%252Fsignin%253Ffeature%253Dmobile%2526next%253D%25252Fverify_age%25253Fclient%25253Dmv-google%252526ipadtype%25253D1%252526layout%25253Dtablet%252526next%25253D%2525252Fwatch%2525253Fv%2525253DdONyv-Cwkoo%252526tsp%25253D1%252526utcoffset%25253D-300%2526hl%253Den%2526action_handle_signin%253Dtrue%2526app%253Dm%26service%3Dyoutube%26sarp%3D1&has_verified=1&layout=tablet&client=mv-google
While it looks like a simple case of road rage, there are unconfirmed reports that the rider in question had a vid up of him doing 170 plus through the neighborhood... Now that does not excuse the truck driver from his actions but it might point to what brought it to that level.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dONyv-Cwkoo&oref=https%3A%2F%2Faccounts.google.com%2Fb%2F0%2FVerifiedPhoneInterstitial%3Fcontinue%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.youtube.com%252Fsignin%253Ffeature%253Dmobile%2526next%253D%25252Fverify_age%25253Fclient%25253Dmv-google%252526ipadtype%25253D1%252526layout%25253Dtablet%252526next%25253D%2525252Fwatch%2525253Fv%2525253DdONyv-Cwkoo%252526tsp%25253D1%252526utcoffset%25253D-300%2526hl%253Den%2526action_handle_signin%253Dtrue%2526app%253Dm%26service%3Dyoutube%26sarp%3D1&has_verified=1&layout=tablet&client=mv-google
While it looks like a simple case of road rage, there are unconfirmed reports that the rider in question had a vid up of him doing 170 plus through the neighborhood... Now that does not excuse the truck driver from his actions but it might point to what brought it to that level.
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